Ed Griffin Collectivism
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Ed Griffin gives one of the most precise arguments against the idea of collectivism since Ayn Rand. Brilliant!
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Forests do exist. A forest is an uncountable number of tree inhabiting an area together and living with environment ecosystem of a forest.
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A herd of cattle is a group and the group is measurable.
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There is groups as there are teams.
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His forest example is incomplete. He fails to understand that the tree itself is also an abstraction because it is collectively made by different parts, and these parts are made by other parts, etc. (the group gives the individual its status of such)
What's shocking is his lack of observation; humans must live and rely on groups in order to survive - there's no other way.
Individualism is an illusion that makes us feel unique because it creates the delusion of control, thus "freedom."
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Quite right so far, Ed, but now you need to describe a moral basis for private property that was once the common heritage of all humans until it was plundered.
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"One difference between libertarianism and socialism is that a socialist society can't tolerate groups of people practicing freedom, but a libertarian society can comfortably allow people to choose voluntary socialism. If a group of people — even a very large group — wanted to purchase land and own it in common, they would be free to do so. The libertarian legal order would require only that no one be coerced into joining or giving up his property." -david boaz
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Could it be that a further distinction is warranted? That being between coercive collectivism and voluntary collectivism. continued....
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Griffin couldn't be more correct here. Collectivists truly cannot see the forest for the trees.
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Let's take the NFL for instance. Is the NFL a collective group? Sure it is. It consists of a group of owners who in this day and age we see more and more bargainaning against their collective group of employees, the players. Imagine if the owners in the NFL had to deal with the player's unions as individuals. They would be the ones locked out of the league. The other owners would scoop their talent up so fast they'd no longer have a team. Collectivism is evrywhere. Individualism is a delusion.
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My freedom ends when yours begins.
PersianPaladin 2 years ago 12
And we get Obama? Nutso!
shepardh1 3 years ago 9