How did Mammal Sonar Evolve? by Dr. Jonathan Sarfati

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New discoveries are constantly pointing to intricate design that Darwin never dreamed of. Indeed, human designers are constantly learning from 'nature', in a growing field called biomimetics. Such design—and the information for this design—point to a Designer.

Dr. Jonathan Sarfati was born in Ararat, Australia in 1964. He moved to New Zealand as a child and later studied science at Victoria University of Wellington. He obtained a B.Sc. (Hons.) in Chemistry with two physics papers substituted (nuclear and condensed matter physics). His Ph.D. in Chemistry was awarded for a thesis entitled 'A Spectroscopic Study of some Chalcogenide Ring and Cage Molecules'. He has co-authored papers in mainstream scientific journals on high temperature superconductors and selenium-containing ring and cage-shaped molecules. He also had a co-authored paper on high-temperature superconductors published in Nature when he was 22.

A FIDE Master in chess, he achieved a draw against former world champion Boris Spassky during a tournament in Wellington in 1988, [1] and was New Zealand's national chess champion in 1987-8,[2] representing that country in Chess Olympiads in 1986, 1988, and 1992.

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[kissmygrittsyall]

@Entropy56

Uhh... Indeed.

[Entropy56]

Look, we all know Dawkins is chronic masturbator, pedophile, and closet homosexual, but please don't make fun of this honorable man.

[MomoTheBellyDancer]

@WhiteVV01F

"sonar has to be there in the first place for any mechanism to work on it"

A lot of animals with auditory systems can determine the direction of objects by the sound-waves they produce (including us). It's not a stretch to imagine animals CAUSING certain sounds that they then filter out once they reflect back from a surface. That's all what echolocation boils down to, really, and it's easy to see how natural selection would favor such systems under certain circumstances.

[BereanBeacon1]

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[xXTheRatXx]

If his arguments were invalid then they could be easily exposed as such, in the form of debate perhaps. Interestingly enough, no evolutionist will debate Dr. Sarfati. Organizations like CMI are hardpressed to find any evolutionists willing to debate. Hmmm...

[CreationistCrap]

What's sad is people actually think Sarfati makes valid arguments.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@WhiteVV01F I've already explained that any organism capable of auditory emission and perception has sonar on some level.

'For some reason you can not admit that'

A very good reason, that's a complete strawman.

[WhiteVV01F]

@TheScienceFoundation Natural selection? That doesn't explain how sonar comes to be (where there is no sonar). That only explains how good sonar is selected for. However, sonar has to be there in the first place for any mechanism to work on it. And that is that; it is a faith you hold that sonar somehow evolved from non-sonar organisms. It is an untestable assertion. For some reason you can not admit that, and I won't pry further.

It was fun! Maybe later. :D

[TheScienceFoundation]

@WhiteVV01F You're still confusing your unreasonable skepticism for there being no way to test evolution. The evolution of sonar is indeed testable, plausible and what we observe fits the data we already had.

'It is okay to admit that there is something about the past you hold on to with faith.'

see; psychological projection

I don't have to stretch the mechanism at all. Sonar already exists in organisms with auditory capabilities, in environments where its beneficial it would be selected

[WhiteVV01F]

@TheScienceFoundation Exactly, we don't have a time machine. That is exactly why the assertion that sonar evolved in organisms is untestable. It is okay to admit that there is something about the past you hold on to with faith. You are certainly not skeptic about your assertion in any way.

You are stretching the mechanism you are talking about way to far. There is no natural mechanism by which sonar evolves in organisms without the ability. You can't cheat.