The Design Inference: A Response to W. L. Craig (Part 2)

I continue to hand William Lane Craig his own ass as I pick apart this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcHp_LWGgGw

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[rogelio67]

this guy just made me want to go eat my own shit,,, ill be right back...

[DasAmericanAtheist]

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean...

[ManicEightBall]

Dawkins was arguing (in my opinion) that when people say that the intelligence of people requires a higher intelligence to explain it, they are begging the question. The worst possible explanation for intelligence is a higher, previously existing intelligence.

Craig has completely distorted what Dawkins said.

[ManicEightBall]

"Craig often seems to be the better debater"

True, but have you looked closely at his argument from morality? It starts out as a neat little syllogism, and then sort of meanders off into a jumble of what looks like a combination of appeals to popularity and personal attacks.

He makes a good show, but if you look closely, you can see the bump in the rug. But as you say, his fans don't really look that closely.

[ThieleM]

@Drgamedood

The degree in Philosophy is a valid area of study...Theology degrees are akin to having a degree in Star Trekology.

[upisoft2]

@DasAmericanAtheist neither do I, but surely this guy has bad case of constipation.. 2 years....

[Drgamedood]

@YOURINQUIRER He has a Ph.D in philosophy AND in theology. You fail.

[creepyoldman2]

@AdoptedGentile Do you really think the "you have faith that god doesn't exist" argument holds any ground whatsoever? How many times have the YT atheists been over that? Plus, you say that testing anything is testing god, but I must ask you, whence god in evolution? There is no need for a guiding hand in this process.

[AdoptedGentile]

@creepyoldman2 That depends on what we are talking about. As a Christian, I believe that since God made everything, to test anything at all is to test the effects of God.  So, in answer to your question, yes we can, but, I am not convined that doing so would prove, nor disprove, the existance of God. Either way, that is where faith comes into play. You either have faith that God exists, or you have faith that He does not exist.

[YOURINQUIRER]

He's not really a philosopher. He's theologian.

[creepyoldman2]

@revo1974 I know you posted this a while back, but I have a response. Can things that don't exist in terms of our criteria make an effect on our reality? If they can, then surely they have some sort of material existence. If you disagree with this, then can't the actions of that god(the material effects) be tested? If we can't test god, can't we test his effect?

[deepashtray]

What also needs to be pointed out is the fact that if machinery were to be found on the moon or ancient artifacts from an unknown origin found, science would investigate and try very hard to discover their origins... not just roll over and proclaim a miracle.

[Afarrell18]

I'm not very good at making philosophical and religious arguments. But this weird thing always happens where i hear an argument (like some of the ones Craig makes) and it just doesn't sit right with me and i can never figure out why. Then someone like you comes along and I'm like ooooohhhhhhhhh there we go, i just cant to seem to get my thoughts straight with these things and think of counter arguments to them.

[boblackey1]

@rogelio67 No you don't know and neither does anybody. Just as nobody knows how life began here on earth. Was it created and put here or was it a random event which happened on the surface of the earth? Scientist Fred Hoyle wrote me in the 80's and insisted the chance of that was 1 to 10 to the 40,000th power, which is really zero. Life did not arise by chance. Hoyle turned to comets and today many scientists accept that comets did play a role in the genesis of life and they made the oceans too.