Cowardly stealth American commies and the ACLU

The commies in communist led China are at least honest about being communist and anti-religion. While the commies in the USA (United States of America) are cowards and stealth like in their behavior. They masquerade in various leftist groups never admitting to their commie ideology or goal of eliminating religion in the USA. Most notable of these groups is the American Civil Liberties Unions, the ACLU. The name is miss-leading as by their actions they do not believe Christians in the USA are entitled to civil rights.

The Los Angeles County official seal had a cross in it. Perhaps because Los Angeles means City of Angeles and was founded by Catholic missionaries. The ACLU determine the cross to be in violation of the hallucinated federal establishment clause derived from another hallucination believing in the Constitution there is a separation of church and state clause. The ACLU threatened court action; the county of Los Angeles caved in and removed the cross.

In 1934 World War Two veterans erected a cross in the then isolated Mojave Desert. In 1980 the area became the East Mojave National Scenic Area. Then in 1994 it became the Mojave National Preserve. The ACLU filed suite in a California court to have the cross removed as it does not belong on federal property per the hallucinated establishment clause.

The court ruled in favor of the ACLU. No surprise there since it is a federal court in California. The decision was appealed to the United States Supreme Court, resulting in the cross being covered up as not to offend ACLU types.

Since the ACLU and their ilk are determined to eradicate any symbols of religion on federal property, and land, any idea when they will try to remove the cross shaped tombstones in United States military cemeteries?
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Please see the below website set up to stop the ACLU:
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http://www.stoptheaclu.com/

An America without the ACLU is an America immersed in freedom unhindered.

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[Robertz1986]

As an ACLU member and as an Atheist, to answer your question, at no point would we like those crosses removed. Those crosses are meant to represent the religion of Christian soldiers who have died in our wars, and there is an equivalent market for the countless Atheist patriots who have died in battle for our country. As for keeping Church and State separate, if you believe that is a hallucination, than you are clueless about our secular origins both Constitutionally and historically.

[PropagandaBuster]

Oh you mean the "secular origins" of our Constitution by men who prayed at the beginning of each session of the Constitutional Convention?

The same men who held religious services on Sundays in the Treasury Building, the Supreme Court Building, and the Capitol Building. I guess those are the secularist you are writing about.

Also, why would you admit you are a member of the ACLU?

[Robertz1986]

Washington was a Deist,

Adams a Deist,

Jefferson either an Atheist or a Deist,

Franklin either an Atheist or a Deist,

Madison an Atheist or a Deist,

Paine was an Atheist,

None of them were Christians and none of them believed in Jesus. What prayer do you suggest is alright under our Constitution? Their Constitution bans government endorsing or establishing religion, while guaranteeing religious freedom in the Bill of Rights. That is secularism, keeping state and church separate, not Atheism.

[PropagandaBuster]

Please go back to your high school or university indoctrinators, ooops, I meant teachers / professors; they misled you (that is being polite for they lied to you).

If the above were Atheist or Deist, why then did they openly join prayer before the start of meetings and why did they attend Christian religious services in the public buildings I mentioned in my earlier comment?

[curtatlanta]

5 stars and a Sub and a Fav. You're awesome!

[PropagandaBuster]

Thank you.

[mhatlie]

If you look at more recent military cemeteries, they no longer assume that everyone in the US is Christian the way they used to. I - as an atheist - would take the same approach to both issues: Leave the old cross up in the desert. It reflects how the veterans back then wanted it. Leave the old military cemeteries the way they were. Of course. But on newer objects, follow the establishment clause and acknowledge the diversity of our great country. No stealth. No "communism." Just common sense.

[numanumaro]

The reason we can't be loud and proud in the US, is because...

A. The existence of the Communist Control Act of 1954

and...

B. The threat of persecution by government officials on the ground of "national security."

As far as the cross goes, I have NEVER had a problem with the cross in a christian institution. If a man is christian, and in the military, I would have NO problem with a cross on those grounds. It's honoring our soldiers with a cross, and thus assuming they are all Christians.

[wiscgaloot]

@PropagandaBuster It is a complete myth that they prayed at every session of the Constitutional Convention. Franklin suggested it once, and only a few in attendance were in favor of it. It is a lie that continues to be propagated by fundamentalist idiots who are unaware of the actual secular history of our nation. Can you tell me WHY there is no reference to God or Christianity or the Bible anywhere in the Constitution?

[RandomSnot]

Yeah thats right drivelpot, ALL anti-religious folk are communists like Penn Jillette and especially the late Ayn Rand. No doubt that one of these morons who subscribe to this " No atheists in foxholes" nonsense as well.

[kevinskogg]

The ironic thing about your claim of propaganda is that, in fact, it is your side that makes up lies to push its agenda. The original biography of Washington portrayed him as a strong Christian who went to church every week. This contradicts his diaries. This was written by a minster and his agenda was to portray Washington as an infallible example for all the children to aspire to. The problem with that of course is that Washington was human and of course far from infallible.

[kevinskogg]

Adams was a Universalist that believed religion was important, important to keep the common people in line. Jefferson explored all religions and had a bible made with only the words attributed to Jesus, not the Paulite version that is predominant today.

The first treaty of the United States said

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion



[kevinskogg]

@PropagandaBuster I know about Washington, Adams and Jefferson. Washington went to a Christian church with his wife but he did not take communion. The minister of his church chided the men in his congregation who were not taking communion and Washington did not continue to go to services. This is from George Washington’s personal diaries.

[enyawd1977]

Just another idiot Christian. I can't take anyone seriously who says Californ-eye-ay.

The cross should be covered up. It remains a symbol of ignorance and suppression of free thinking. Oh, and while you're blessing everyone...

What about "God Bless the Dinosaurs"? ...Uh, I mean "Jesus Dragons"

[robtay1963]

And I am not saying that some of our founding fathers were not christians and that some of there opinions did not get into early writings, but if based on your opinion we should be teach Christianity in our schools we should teach all denominations of Christianity, Catholic, Mormons, JW, and Baptist, and also Hebrew teaching and also Koran both passive and radical, all other religions. Or none at all take your pick......

[robtay1963]

@robtay1963 And just because at some point in history they decided to start clamming we were founded as a christian nation does not make it true. What makes the God of the KJV any more real then Allah or RA, while you kiddies continue your arguments I have to go pray at my alter to Odin, I hope thor makes it rain we could use some here at has been dry.

[robtay1963]

@PropagandaBuster What school did you go to? Go to your local library and get some actual books written by Jefferson, and Franklin. Everyone says that Taxation without representation is the reason why we wanted freedom from England because of that Schoolhouse Rock song from the 70s, but if you study history you would know that it was among many reasons, another big one was forced religion. That is why it is in our constitution. The government can not endorse or establish any religion. cont....