2 Thessalonians | An Important Clarification

Many students of the Bible mistake what is being said in 2 Thessalonians, Chapter 2, verses 1, 2 and 3. Alan clarifies and explains, revealing total confirmation in God's Word through verses 7 and 8.

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[garth428]

Ok this has always bothered me a little: Why is it that people believe that the Holy Spirit will be taken up with the Church? Does it not say that the 144,000 will be sealed with the Holy Spirit? So how can the Holy Spirit be the one that is 'taken out of the way'? It just doesn't compute.

[WatchAlan]

@garth428 Revelation 7 says the 144,000 will have a seal placed on their foreheads ... then Revelation 14 says they have the Father's name on their foreheads. There's no mention of the Holy Spirit there.

Consider: The Holy Spirit was sent to the earth, specifically, to gather those chosen by the Father for His Son. At the Harpazzo, this task is finished ... so, having finished His work, why wouldn't the Holy Spirit return to Heaven?

[garth428]

@WatchAlan Yep, you're right. I should've read that better, Thanks.

[WatchAlan]

@garth428 Well, you had a good point ... sort of.

:o)

The Holy Spirit *will* still be visiting the earth, but as He did *before* He came here to gather the Ecclessia (Church).

[smeismec]

@garth428 The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead! Being God, He is Omnipresent. It is the act of restraining lawlessness that is removed from the earth; not the Spirit of God Himself.

[WatchAlan]

@smeismec You are making assumptions.

Do you recall Yahshua saying, in John 16:7 - "I must return to the Father so the Holy Spirit can come to you" - ? In Luke 24:49 Yahshua says "I am going to send you what my Father has promised" (the Holy Spirit) ... the Holy Spirit was sent to the earth after Yahshua returned to the Father to gather the Called Out Ones (Ecclessia). Once that job is done, He returns with them.

[leelawbooboo]

@WatchAlan The seal is heavenly talk. This could simply mean thought of these people being that it is on their foreheads. No sin can deter them from Yaweh. The deceiver will have his way with the world but these ones will always think truth first and last. Out of these come the remnant. These are the sower's seed that grew amongst the thorns. Seed of Abraham going through the great Tribulation. Yah will call His people back from the enemy's land then the Evil one will openly come out in defiance

[fictfact]

2 Th is a great epistle for understanding Revelation and you articulate very wisely, i really enjoyed listening... 2 Th 2:1 - 5 reveals who son(s) of perdition , the lawlessness in verse 5 it pertains to 1Th 2:14 -- very interesting stuff

[smeismec]

Good job on 2Thess.

Daniel 9:27 A/c revealed who is the ‘lawless one’, until restrainer of lawlessness is moved out of the way, a/c cannot be revealed. This begins Daniels 70th Week.

As God He’s omnipresent.  It’s His work of restraining that ends, not his presence on earth. No one can be saved except through the Holy Spirit. Suggesting He returns to His O.T. work. He will enter into those who accept the gospel of the Kingdom during the 7 years.

[goldmakers]

Brother, That is a huge jump to conclude that we are not able to know the time of tribulation. I agree we won't fully know who the AC is until the time and conditions stated. I don't see the reference that we can't know the time of the beginning of the tribulation. Matt 24 is your cross ref. No antimonies in the scriptures. I agree with you on most of the explaination.But not that this scrip refers not knowing the timing of the trib.