Vietnam War - Battle of Khe Sanh - Part 1

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[Delivery468213]

Stop talking about Call Of Duty Black Ops, its truth not right ok, I am Vietnamese so don't kidding with me.

[NBmachiavelli]

@CompactJam I understand your point, no argument here. I was simply stating a fact militarily. Your argument about "IF' is absurd...we can probably spend days going back and forth with "IFs" so I prefer not to get into it. I can come up with a number of arguments with "IF" on how the United States would have won the war...but again, historically speaking...is useless.

[CompactJam]

@NBmachiavelli The vast materiel advantage the US enjoyed was largely wasted because thousand of bombs and bullets simply disappeared into the jungle without ever hitting anything. I may be wrong but I believe the small arms ammo to kill ratio was around 40,000 to 1

[CompactJam]

@NBmachiavelli I'm sure you're making a point somewhere but I fail to see it's relevance. We all know why the US pulled out of vietnam. If however you're trying to say that the US would have won had they supported a WWII style prosecution of war you are wrong and that is precisely why the Americans didn't fare well in Vietnam too. Westmoreland too believed in WWII war doctrine but he was fighting the wrong war. Unlike WWII there were no major cities to take or roads or rail to bomb.

[NBmachiavelli]

@CompactJam When Johnson rejected Westmoreland’s request for 200K troops, they realized the US reached a turning point. As Le Duan Thanh’s struggle philosophy put it, “America is wealthy but not resolute”, it’s not just a matter of economic. It’s impossible to win the war when too many qualified targets were put off limits.  I’d agree the US shouldn’t get involved in any war/conflict in which the policy should be, fight to win, 100% no holds bar (similar to WW2) or don’t get involve.

[NBmachiavelli]

@CompactJam A reported once asked Bui Tin, a former colonel in the N. Vietnamese army, how could the Americans have won the war? He responded, cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted Westmoreland's requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war AND the American antiwar movement was essential to their plan of victory. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest, we lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

[CompactJam]

@NBmachiavelli My intention was not to get into a battle of 'ifs' but to merely point out that the main advantage the Americans had was in materiel and thus is not attributable in any way to the armed force itself but the economy that fuelled it. In fact quite the opposite. The US forces (perhaps like the French before them) appear to have deluded themselves as to their supposed superiority based on their material and weapons they could bring to bear. Gen Giapp of course read these weaknesses

[randy95023]

Did USA "win" at Khe Sanh? We "survived" and can call it a win. USA won every major battle in Vietnam, but LOST the war. It's a shame we fought at all. In 1945 we could have been friends with the Vietnamese people and if Ho Chi Minh was their popular choice we could have worked with him. Vietnamese didn't like the Chinese and we could have worked with Ho to keep them independant of Chinese influence. War was a damn shame for both sides...

[CompactJam]

@NBmachiavelli You completely miss the point. America had no business in Vietnam in the first place. The Viet were fighting for their freedom. If they had the war material the US had they would have won easily but instead they overcame American big guns and big mouths and barbaric cruelty with ingenuity and incredible courage and determination. By the time America realised it was both pointless and untenable tens of thousands of lives had been lost forever and a scar still hangs over that land.

[degea9]

@degea9 ;i hate communists but I just told the truth.

[NBmachiavelli]

"The United States won every battle it fought against the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong, inflicting terrible casualties on them. Yet, it ultimately lost the war because the public no longer believed that the conflict was worth the costs."