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Uploaded by on Nov 26, 2011

Patrick Navas and James White recently completed a debate on the subject of the Trinity. This can be found in two parts at

http://theopologetics.podbean.com/2011/11/26/episode-67-firstborn-of-creation/

and

http://theopologetics.podbean.com/2011/11/26/episode-68-the-great-i-am/

These are my comments on that debate.

Update: I've received word James White intends to respond Tuesday, November 29th on his show, The Dividing Line (www.aomin.org). If his comments warrant response I'll be certain to provide one.

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  • I was just listening to the video again and realized I distinguished between the demiurge and the creator god, which of course are one and the same thing. Nevertheless, I believe my intended meaning is clear enough.

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  • Additionally, if Jesus is a copy of the original uncreated, and if that means that Jesus is also uncreated, then that would further mean that Jesus became uncreated as a copy of the original, and thus we have two uncreated beings, one who is the original, and another who is the copy. "God" in Hebrews 1, is presented as only one person, and "God" spoke through and performs works through his Son.

  • Hey Dave.... are you aware that James White has responded at length to this video on his podcast and on youtube?

    I thought you may want to know.

  • Good points Dave. 

  • the "mere man/creature" accusation shows the disdain trinis have for God's creation, which He wishes went back to the perfection of His first son, Adam. Truly an anti-christ spirit!

  • Hi Dave.... I can't wait to listen to the debate.  Didn't know it even happened so thanks for the heads up.

  • I debated Patrick Navas in 2009 on the subject of the Trinity. I really enjoyed our discussions and debate. I obviously disagree with your position as I do with Navas and Jehovah's Witnesses, but debating over text comment is exhausting and useless at times. Would love to debate this topic again in the near future!

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