@sonofherne Have a look at the study done by Balaresque et al...where it shows the earliest lineage of man comes NOT from Iberia as some supposed but rather from the Balkans and Middle East.
It was tribes like the cruithne and the ulaidh who first founded Ireland..and it seems likely they stepped across from Scotland. The gaels of todays Ireland were the last in and it is these who may have basque connections however they are not the original peoples of either Ireland or Scotland. These first people were of celt and norse origin. Ptolemys goegraphia names them cruithne and St Patrick said they were the Pretani tribe and being a Welshman he would have recognised them.
The west coast of Europe was 'one' kingdom which traded with the Mediterranean states that much is pretty well established, although a kingdom guided by the Druids consisting of many tribes and influx of peoples.. seems to me a plausible truth.. what say ye?
@sonofherne Which makes sense, as the language of the Lusitani, is Q Celtic :).
Yeah, there was definitely trade between Albion and Greece. I don't about direct routes, but the Veneti (in modern-day Brittany) traded with other Gauls who traded with the Greeks. The Gauls who lived in the Alps especially traded with the Greeks - look at some of the artwork in the area, and you can see figures of Alpine chieftains drinking LOTS of wine, most likely Greek wine.
@sonofherne True, indeed - that's partially what scared the %$#& out of the Romans :).
The problem is that we still don't know for sure if they did practice ritual killing. The Roman documents are biased - they never told the exact truth about their enemies. Caesar wrote "the Gallic Wars" mainly to convince the Senate to allow him to continue his conquest of Gaul (and later, Albion). And courtesy of "st." Patrick burning many of the old documents, we can only speculate :(.
@gmsm520 I don't see any connection with natives.I'm sorry but I'm a person of 'celtic' ancestry who lives in England, along with millions of others...in fact nearly 1/4 of modern English people have recent Irish ancestry (not to mention Scottish,Cornish and Welsh or the fact that western England has much the same dna as the celts) Most of us get along pretty damn well now, and really don't appreciate people stirring over things (like the Saxon invasion)that happened 1600 years ago!
@celticbattleaxe I have no doubt they DID occasionally practice ritual killing, like most cultures. The Irish legend of Cromm Cruach hints at it. In the last few years the bodies of several high status men have been found in Irish bogs who are thought to be 'sacred kings' sacrificed to the land.This tallies with English Lindow man and bodies in one time celtic areas of Europe. These people were headhunters and no 'fluffy bunnies'!
@celticbattleaxe .The Irish people's own myths speak of Spain as an origin for their people. Newgrange is an Iberian style passage grave.Portugueses bronze age earrings have turned up in Ireland. That's to say nothing of the dna which is far closest to that of the Atlantic seaboard than to Greece. That said, there is evidence of some bronze age trade between Britain and Greece (esp Delos.)
@sonofherne Have a look at the study done by Balaresque et al...where it shows the earliest lineage of man comes NOT from Iberia as some supposed but rather from the Balkans and Middle East.
VIOLA9927 5 days ago
It was tribes like the cruithne and the ulaidh who first founded Ireland..and it seems likely they stepped across from Scotland. The gaels of todays Ireland were the last in and it is these who may have basque connections however they are not the original peoples of either Ireland or Scotland. These first people were of celt and norse origin. Ptolemys goegraphia names them cruithne and St Patrick said they were the Pretani tribe and being a Welshman he would have recognised them.
VIOLA9927 3 weeks ago
The west coast of Europe was 'one' kingdom which traded with the Mediterranean states that much is pretty well established, although a kingdom guided by the Druids consisting of many tribes and influx of peoples.. seems to me a plausible truth.. what say ye?
ModernWizards 1 month ago
Celts will rise again. Celts were never down. They are us, all Britons.
CLVASHJBHWFS 1 month ago
@sonofherne Which makes sense, as the language of the Lusitani, is Q Celtic :).
Yeah, there was definitely trade between Albion and Greece. I don't about direct routes, but the Veneti (in modern-day Brittany) traded with other Gauls who traded with the Greeks. The Gauls who lived in the Alps especially traded with the Greeks - look at some of the artwork in the area, and you can see figures of Alpine chieftains drinking LOTS of wine, most likely Greek wine.
celticbattleaxe 2 months ago
@sonofherne True, indeed - that's partially what scared the %$#& out of the Romans :).
The problem is that we still don't know for sure if they did practice ritual killing. The Roman documents are biased - they never told the exact truth about their enemies. Caesar wrote "the Gallic Wars" mainly to convince the Senate to allow him to continue his conquest of Gaul (and later, Albion). And courtesy of "st." Patrick burning many of the old documents, we can only speculate :(.
celticbattleaxe 2 months ago
@sonofherne Linguist's believe that extinct "Tartessian" could be the oldest ( so far ) found Celtic language, so that's another link with Iberia...
Nemeton212 2 months ago
@gmsm520 I don't see any connection with natives.I'm sorry but I'm a person of 'celtic' ancestry who lives in England, along with millions of others...in fact nearly 1/4 of modern English people have recent Irish ancestry (not to mention Scottish,Cornish and Welsh or the fact that western England has much the same dna as the celts) Most of us get along pretty damn well now, and really don't appreciate people stirring over things (like the Saxon invasion)that happened 1600 years ago!
sonofherne 2 months ago
@celticbattleaxe I have no doubt they DID occasionally practice ritual killing, like most cultures. The Irish legend of Cromm Cruach hints at it. In the last few years the bodies of several high status men have been found in Irish bogs who are thought to be 'sacred kings' sacrificed to the land.This tallies with English Lindow man and bodies in one time celtic areas of Europe. These people were headhunters and no 'fluffy bunnies'!
sonofherne 2 months ago
@celticbattleaxe .The Irish people's own myths speak of Spain as an origin for their people. Newgrange is an Iberian style passage grave.Portugueses bronze age earrings have turned up in Ireland. That's to say nothing of the dna which is far closest to that of the Atlantic seaboard than to Greece. That said, there is evidence of some bronze age trade between Britain and Greece (esp Delos.)
sonofherne 2 months ago