The Fundamentals Of Pool With Greyghost Part 2 of 2

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[xXxadam5xXx]

i have started using the vee grip in the past year or so and its actually helped me stay loose but not to where the cue slips out of my hand. its helped me get more action and i think it is a great grip that people should learn.......are you going to have anymore segments with greyghost? because this segment was very informative and it would be nice to see his views on other topics.

[forcefollow]

@xXxadam5xXx Much more is planned. It will be a couple of months, but stay tuned. I will post a break video later today.

[gsab415]

Is there anywhere else online I can get more info about 'piston' style stroke? I changed my stroke a bit and could use some more tips on it

[turaniko]

Ok, it sounds great and it makes alot of sense. putting the cue right infront of the cue ball to maintain the same distance and everthing. Think about a blind pocket shot. First you look at a contact point then you put the cue right infront of the cue ball.. Well.. I just lost the contact point. What are your suggestions on that? It makes sense on the shots that are not blind pocket but what are your suggestions on the blind pocket shots? How do I keep my distance the same with the cue ball?

[GetMeThere1]

@keebie2 : I thought about this more. Speed is everything. In stroke, speed is achieved ONLY by the bicep (pendulum stroke). If you grip tightly and feel the muscles, you can feel the TRICEPS tense. So...by gripping tight you may end up stiffening your triceps, which could work contrary to the force of your biceps, which might slow down your arm movement--and thus limit "ball action." This is probably true is ALL SPORTS: unnecessarily tightening muscles counteracts the muscles you WANT to use.

[GetMeThere1]

@keebie2 : I don't think you're thinking about this clearly. If speed is all that matters, and your hand doesn't actually SLIDE on the cue, then it simply doesn't matter whether the cue is gripping tightly or loosely--it's the same thing. (sure, I wouldn't--I COULDN'T--grip a cue tightly, but that's for matters of "feel" and not having my wrist muscles interfere with stroke consistency). It has to be physically demonstrated that grip matters. Nobody has demonstrated that.

[keebie2]

@GetMeThere1 Oh i don't doubt that you do....and thanks for the compliment. Its all in good discussion and learning

[keebie2]

@GetMeThere1 Like i said its just like a pitcher......pitchers grip light to throw fireballs....it they grip tight, well they would not be in the majors b/c they wouldn't get no heat.

Just go to a table brother and grip the crap out the cue and light grip and look at the results....if your any kind of player at all it will be obvious in your results.

[keebie2]

@GetMeThere1 Go grip the hell out of the cue then and see how much action you can deliver on the ball.

You say Dave says its all about speed? Well speed and momentum are linked....you can't swing your arm as fast as the cue stick....THAT IS WHY

When a baseball pitcher throws a 100mph fastball his arm IS NOT TRAVELING 100MPH

Do you understand that now?

[GetMeThere1]

@keebie2 : I'm not really clear on what you're saying. First, there's no argument: the issue is momentum transfer. BUT, considering that, you should be able to transfer MORE momentum by gripping tightly, because then the mass of your entire arm would be added to the momentum (momentum is mass x velocity). The cue can't "get past" your arm/grip--the cue moves only in response to the force your arm exerts on it.

[GetMeThere1]

@keebie2 : I would one day like to build a "stroke machine" to test some of these ideas. The main idea I would wish to test is whether speed alone accounts for ALL "CB action." I'd do it by comparing CB action achieved by the machine vs actual human players--at the same speeds. I'd also try to make a machine that actually "threw" the cue stick--so there was no continuing "force" when tip met CB. I think those answers might FINALLY settle many "stroke" questions to everybody's satisfaction.

[keebie2]

@GetMeThere1 The Cue stick has about 3x the mass of the CB.....the momentum that the Cue can attain is much more than that which the hand/arm can deliver.

Its not about penetration distance or anything like you said.

The momentum of the cue along with angle of hit etc.. is what determines the action of the CB.

The cues momentum is greater than the hand can deliver, so you take the hand out of the equation.