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[srtnvc]

it is mainly chanted in serbian and A bit in greek

[matheis]

Orthodox Church is nothing now its been infiltrated by the Jesuits & RCC

[srtnvc]

the core is not.

[ThatIMayUnderstand]

"The Orthodox Church is evangelical, but not Protestant. It is orthodox, but not Jewish. It is catholic, but not Roman. It isn't non-denominational - it is pre-denominational. It has believed, taught, preserved, defended and died for the Faith of the Apostles since the Day of Pentecost 2000 years ago." Anon. .

[EIMAIpaidi]

i am greek ! and i am orthodox ty for this vid!

[StopMoColorado]

@theologymattrz "For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." - I Cor 2:2 (from St. Paul, who is the bearer of the Gospel to the Gentiles, including the Church at Corinth, which he founded)

"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable to his death" - Phil 3:10

"The Cross" contains everything you mentioned - death, burial, resurrection - that's part of the sign of the Cross.

[theologymattrz]

@StopMoColorado The Gospel is not Christ's call to deny ourselves. That is the believer's response to Christ's Lordship. You're confusing works and grace, and you're clearly confused about the Gospel. I asked you to state the Gospel and nowhere did you state the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus according to the Scriptures, nowhere did you state that Christ's atonement for sinners and his imputed righteousness to sinners is the Gospel. Instead you stated a WORK to be done as the Gospel.

[StopMoColorado]

@theologymattrz The Gospel, simply put: "If any man shall come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me".

According to *you* the Apostles' words were all written down later, nowhere do the Scriptures make that claim; that belief is a (novel) Protestant tradition. As Paul states, THE CHURCH is the pillar and foundation, not the Books . The Church had spread all over the Mediterranean & beyond, her members gathering and worshiping, before a single Epistle was penned.

[theologymattrz]

@StopMoColorado The tradition that we are to keep is that apostolic teaching which came by word of mouth or epistle. What they said was later written for us. It's not a separate extra-biblical tradition. That is why Paul emphasized as of FIRST IMPORTANCE that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES. 1 Cor. 15:1-8. The scriptures begin in Genesis. Can you please state YOUR Gospel-that which YOU believe is the GOSPEL by which you are saved? State it clearly plz

[theologymattrz]

@StopMoColorado You seem to think that I'm out to promote Protestantism-IM NOT. I'm not defending Baptists, Presbyterians, or anything other denomination. I'm saying that what it means to be "evangelical" is that there is a belief that we are declared just from sins and imputed with Christ's righteousness at the HEART of our belief. It's not the ONLY thing. But it's what separated BIBLICAL faith from man-made religion like yours. If you are like minded-you are evanglical.

[StopMoColorado]

@theologymattrz "Therefore, brethren, hold fast to all the teachings we passed on (traditioned - "paradoseis") to you, whether by *word of mouth* or written epistle". - 2 Thess 2:15 The Church IS Christ's body (Reformed theology is rather neo-gnostic, actually, relegating faith to the mind, separate from the body), and as such, is also the foundation of faith, not the Scriptures. The Church produced the Bible, not the other way around. The foundation/basis, built on Christ, is the Apostles.

[StopMoColorado]

@theologymattrz Protestantism was absolutely, as a historical fact, started by the ex-Catholic Monk, Martin Luther (who is one of my ancestors in the flesh). The term "Protestant" was first applied to the German princes who supported Luther (especially politically) against Rome. There was Jan Hus before him, and Wycliffe (who wanted to rejoin the Orthodox in the East, research it), but Luther's teachings ("doctrines and commandments of man", vs Paradosis of the Church) established the "sola's".

[StopMoColorado]

@theologymattrz My friend, to start with, the Reformed definition of "sozein" is incomplete - salvation is not merely intellectually assenting to Christ's divinity and saving work and being rescued from Hell (and yes, it is Christ, not us, who does the saving - "Not I, but Christ who lives in me"). Belief is the start, not the finish. Salvation in its fullness is restoration & the healing of our fallen nature. This is what Christ came, in the flesh, to do. Orthodoxy is pre-denominational, btw :)

[theologymattrz]

@StopMoColorado "To him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness" (Romans 4:5)

[theologymattrz]

@StopMoColorado yes the church, not the EO denomination. The church is built on the truth of Christ. The church doesn't determine the truth, it teaches it because it first recieves it. Justification is through faith in Christ, but James is talking about justification before MAN-"you SEE that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone". When Reformed say sola fide they echo Paul's theology of justification on the grounds of Christ alone and not meritorious works.