emergence, consciousness, thresholds (pt. 1/2)

simex909's webcam video February 25, 2010, 04:14 AM

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[stealspell]

There's no such thing as consciousness. It's just a concept created by the brain. We only admit to being conscious because we work within our "conscious" paradigm. We don't exist. Nothing exists.

[simex909]

@stealspell Could you go in to more detail? When I say "consciousness" in this video I'm talking about awareness, or the experience of being aware. I realize that when I communicate I'm using "consciousness" as a conceptual designation for something. But, in this case, it's the only "thing" that I'm sure really exists. Are you proposing something like the Buddhist world view? Go in to detail, man, I'm rarely swayed by assertions alone.

[ShaktiPoint]

Hey man, I can see your aura!

[stealspell]

@stealspell

Correction.

"am doing isn't necessarily "I" can not know."

"am doing isn't necessarily something "I" can "know" "

I realized the typo there and also the word know needs some scare quotes.

[stealspell]

@stealspell

You wrote, "awareness". This is my current problem of understanding too. What is meant by awareness? How can that word be described some other way without losing meaning? In one way I can say that I know what it means to be aware because I am aware of what I am doing. In another way, "I" think to myself that "I" am simply using the word "aware" to mean something "I" am doing but what it is "I" am doing isn't necessarily "I" can not know. The idea is, what is meant by "I" and "aware"

[stealspell]

So he talks about nothingness, the negation of what is, i.e. being. And he says nothingness is present when being is present, as in, negation is inherent in being. I think he sort of shreds Descartes 'Cogito ergo sum' argument. The reason for this is because the argument presupposes what is means for something to exist in the first place. We, beings, define existence through our perception and to prove that we exist in any sense isn't proving anything at all but simply restating what we assume.

[stealspell]

@simex909

To me the idea sort of "revealed" itself when I read Heidegger "What is Metaphysics?" If you are not familiar with him, you should read that essay (it's a tough read). Although, I happen to disagree with what Heidegger is saying, I don't take him too seriously because he has what I'd like to call Nazi intentions, but after some long thinking I sort of began to understand what it is that he is hinting at. It's not really an argument because if it were, it would be an illogical one.

[cjnavaneet]

I haven't seen the full video...but you go to esoteric..teaching... org and you'll find all the answers...