2Atheisit vs 2Christians part1of3

The cameraman thought that it was over so he abandoned his camera, but he left it recording. The debate starts in part two. It was wonderful! 10-2-2008

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[psford1]

@NikTheJew Thats a specific take on religion - that some deity is affecting us. But take a step back to the overall theory that religion fits into which is intelligent design. Intelligent design places no warrants on any deity or force behind the formation of life and the universe other than that one may exist. There is no worship, no rituals, no dogma. Intelligent design is a valid theory due to the lack of certainty from traditional suggestions. ID is not religion - BUT all religions are ID

[rngjudgement]

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[InternetDisciple]

@NikTheJew

"Your speculation about infinite regresses..."

You seem to be admitting that you are ignorant about infinite regress and why the universe cannot be infinitely old. Allow me to explain it to you:

In explaining what, for example, caused a rock to fall, one could, if there is an infinite past, could always ask: And what caused that?

Let me know if you still don't understand why you are invoking the logical fallacy of infinite regress.

[InternetDisciple]

@NikTheJew

"Scientific thought allowed us to do this. Not metaphysics. Not some unnamed, undefined creator."

Uh, I think that whatever brought the matter into existence that makes up our bodies deserves some credit.

Even little children correctly understand that the Christmas presents did not put themselves under the tree. You do know that even little children have such a correct understanding about the Christmas presents, don't you?

[InternetDisciple]

@NikTheJew

"I don't think of unscientific positions ever."

Yes, you did. You suggested that it is not known if the universe had a infinite past. It is not scientifically possible.

Would you like me to repost your unscientific quote? How about if I repost my debunking of your unscientific suggestion for you?

[NikTheJew]

@InternetDisciple Really? How do you know? I don't think you can prove any of this - this is essentially a small part of quantum theory - and there's a reason why quantum theory is misusing the scientific understanding of the word "theory." Quantum theory is speculation and guesswork. "Theories" refer to well-stated and well-tested scientific facts. Your speculation about infinite regresses and the beginning of our universe is nothing more than speculation. Can't prove a thing.

[NikTheJew]

@InternetDisciple I don't think of unscientific positions ever. Until science, all we could do is bargain and hope. We could never get a 100% answer. Until the scientific method, we had no techniques of demonstrating whether or not something was right or wrong, or real, or even what some things were. Scientific thought allowed us to do this. Not metaphysics. Not some unnamed, undefined creator.

[InternetDisciple]

@NikTheJew

"Especially not so because humanity can never definitively know whether or not the universe has always existed..."

You're wrong again.

The universe can't have an infinite past because infinity is not a real number.

Also, invoking an infinite past also invokes the fallacy of infinite regress.

Start trying to... think about your unscientific positions a little more.

[InternetDisciple]

@NikTheJew

"Or something cannot come from nothing does not equal evidence of God, rather."

Again, I've not tried to name the Creator, as you have here. I've merely pointed out the scientific need of a metaphysical Creator.

Again, even little children correctly understand that the Christmas presents did not put themselves under the tree.

[NikTheJew]

@InternetDisciple Also, what I just wrote I've said in a bunch of different ways already.