Liberal Fascism (2) -- Jonah Goldberg ** UNEDITED **
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The fact that anyone would group conservatism with fascism or nazism still amazes me; the main point being that conservatives want to downsize government and its authority of the individual, while liberals believe they know whats best for everyone so they want to pass policies they think will improve everyone's lives. Sounds nice, but they themselves dont even know that my last sentence is just a smiley term for government control. They dont seem to understand what fascism actually is.
2 years ago 25
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"Didn't have any rights" is such a weak claim. There are Americans who say we didn't have any rights against Bush.
It all depends on your perspective.
For me, having basic property rights, being able to flee a country if you don't like it, being able to have a bank account, etc. are good rights.
For you, living a rat cage, forced indoctrination, forced family separations, genocide, etc. are important rights.
2 years ago 14
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@jadedmastermind Well put. although in the French revolutionary assembly (and the subsequent French republics) the radical socialists and jacobins sat on the left, while the moderate constitutional republicans and girondins sat on the right.
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@jadedmastermind Keep in mind, in the original seating in the French revolutionary assembly the Jacobins (who were the radical antimonarchists, antichristians and antifreemarketers) sat on the left, while the Girondins (who were constitutional republicans and constitutional monarchists) sat on the right.
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The original 19th century European definition of left and right refers to where members of parliament were seated. Revolutionary socialists were seated on the left and militant monarchists were seated on the right. Since the USA has no king, there are no rightists of the traditional european sense here. So the right in the USA refers to the "classic liberals" who defend the constitution as the founding fathers intended it to be. Today's "classic liberals" are conservatives and libertarians.
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@peopleareapes, @drcruel, @jazzbo66zz, @laffin2much, @danwk7, Any 'coercive socialism' is unethical. And it's almost always the Leftists who organize 'thug groups'('brown shirts/ UAF') to disrupt, dis-invite, shout-down, or push-around dissenting speakers, demonstrations, etc.
Ask Ward Connerly re his efforts to offer ballot referendum questions against anti-White/anti-male policies.
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Hitler sounded just like John Lennon here. I'm not surprised.
1 year ago 4
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National socialism = RACIST left wing nationalism
Marxist LIBERATION THEOLOGY = racist socialism too
Racist KKK nazi Democrats are Satanic Marxist theocrats,hahaha.
LFETISTS are trying to end freedom on this planet and create some kind of unholy new world order.
God bless America and Israel. ; )
1 year ago 4
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@peopleareapes The problem being that Nazism was quite anti-conservative, indeed violently so. They were also extremely socialist.
If you want to make a claim for fascism being conservative, you'd be better put to stick to the Iberian models. In fact Spanish fascism, at least under Franco, was quite classically Rightist - Franco was a monarchist and a friend of the Catholic church. So also, to a somewhat lesser extent, was Salazar of Portugal. But the Falange was much more "Leftist".
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Jonah Goldberg speaks for the Fortune 500 & the ideology of big business. Deregulation and the suspension of law governing the conduct of American foreign policy and big business is symptomatic of liberalism. The conflation of liberty with unrestrained power over our lives by corporate hegemony is the Heritage Foundation's agenda and this explains why it was founded by corporate billionaires like Joseph Coors. In other words the interests of Haliburton and Bechtel are not advanced by democracy.
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@peopleareapes Liberals want everything done by the government. Big government is a trademark of the left.
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What bothers me is that the government doesnt have to force it that hard.. The individuals on the left are begging and pleading for fascism to control them.
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@peopleareapes well libs are for big goverment and think we should all be oblogated to the state or people as libs would put it ! thats when government force is used !
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Tyler, I commend you. Liberals are interested in nothing more than strengthening and perpetuating the power of the state and degrading those who oppose.
Goldberg's book SHOULD be required reading for all high school and college aged people.
1 year ago 4
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You mean communism in theory eventually whithers away the state, the in theory part is very important, because this massive switch from an extremist left wing totalitarianism to an extremist right wing anarchy is a ridiculous theory. You'll aways end up with totalitarianism that doesn't go away which is why we don't mention that in theory it's supposed to according to the communists.
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the biggest problem with fascism, which he never really addresses - is that fascism constitutes the state control of the economy, its a command economy rather than a free-market economy based upon free enterprise. Socialists and fascists are exactly the same in that regard - but also, socialism taken to its logical conclusion is the 'whithering away of the state' - big government becomes zero gov't. that's the step that conservatives always leave out.
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So true, its quite the opposite of big government, Rome killed Christ b/c he was not following the rules and was a threat.
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So fricken true
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left wing nazi scum
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liberal = goverment control of people
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how is God a dictator?
Yes, God is the immortal influence of certain dictators, like communism is the immortal influence of other dictators...
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how is communism communism in anything but name? but that's the name it uses, so that's the name we use -
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Would it be funny if...at the moment that Mussolini dared God to strike him down...OUTSIDE, lightning and thunder would crash?
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I hate liberalism and I agree with Goldberg's charges of its close political proximation to fascism, but his attack of Hitler's abolition of state religion is hypocrisy beyond excuse - indoctrinating kids with your religion of choice is fascist. I'm glad he wrote his book but this man is no champion of liberty and justice
acphenom 8 months ago
@acphenom
Parenting a child is fascist?
The very process of parenting can be described as "indoctrinating" the little savages into civility.
And there is no shortage of such "indoctrination" by Atheist parents of theirs, and everyone else's for that matter, whenever and wherever they have the opportunity.
The fascist part is when they do so by gov't force or sponsorship, e.g., through the Teachers' labor unions & universities, where atheist socialism is proselytized and entirely unopposed.
TylerNull 7 months ago 4
left and right, two hands of the same devil, theres only good and bad. truth, freedom, humanity. end all empires!
slade420 1 year ago
@slade420
. . . it's almost as if we'll soon see anarchists and socialists marching in lock-step agreement at their countless "peace marches", as they lob Molotov Cocktails, bludgeon people, and otherwise attack Western civilization.
Oops, they've been doing that for GENERATIONS.
TylerNull 1 year ago 10