Atheist Genius...DEBUNKED!

Einstein thought he could ignore quantum mechanics. Fred Hoyle thought he could ignore the big bang and biochemistry. Geniuses can be wrong.

Article concerning the first ever synthesized RNA enzymes that can replicate themselves without the help of any proteins or other cellular components, indefinitely:

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/scientists-develop-first-examples-rna-replicat...

Additional note: Although Hoyle was an atheist at the time of his greatest work (the B2FH paper) thanks to "Minttzz" correcting me, it turns out that later on Hoyle became a deist. I had always wondered why such a great mind as his was able to come up with such a load of bollocks as the "hurricane in the junkyard" analogy. The answer now seems clear to me. He didn't WANT to believe in abiogenesis. If he thought the "junkyard" was an accurate understanding of the problem NO WONDER he didn't believe it! It seems this genius thought abiogenesis was evidence against a creator. The fact that abiogenesis fits all we know about the "evolution" of matter since the big bang (PLUS the latest findings in the link above), and evolution is backed by so many facts as to be, to my mind, a fact itself, then this deistic genius is indirectly conceding that gods very likely do not exist.

Hoyle criticized creationists yet, oddly enough, would have found himself on the same side in many arguments.

"The creationist is a sham religious person who, curiously, has no true sense of religion. In the language of religion, it is the facts we observe in the world around us that must be seen to constitute the words of God. Documents, whether the Bible, Qur'an or those writings that held such force for Velikovsky, are only the words of men...To prefer the words of men to those of God is what one can mean by blasphemy. This, we think, is the instinctive point of view of most scientists who, curiously again, have a deeper understanding of the real nature of religion than have the many who delude themselves into a frenzied belief in the words, often the meaningless words, of men. Indeed, the lesser the meaning, the greater the frenzy, in something like inverse proportion."

'Our Place in the Cosmos'; Hoyle(1993), p.14

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[Callirgos1]

@boblackey1

God does not need to be "debunked". A good claim for the existance of god needs to be proposed.

[kev680808]

“If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.” ~ Richard Feynman

[Fireflygamer]

@boblackey1 Atheism is not meant to answer these questions, atheism is just the disbelief in any gods. science can answer these questions and i am sure if humans survive long enough i am sure it will. What can not answer these questions is religion, making stuff up so that you have an answer(wrong or not) dose not get you any closer to the truth. Saying IDK but this is what we do know as fact, that dose get us closer to the true answers, wild guesses and assumptions not so much.

[mattgresh1]

My personal walk with logic.

[gr8vibes2]

hoyle wasn't a genius imho

[finlarg]

@boblackey1 Atheism itself doesn't answer these questions, it's just a description of non-belief regarding religious claims.

You asked what was BEFORE the big bang? In terms of the theory, there was no before, because time began at THAT point. Just like there is no temperature below zero Kelvin.

I can't be certain that God doesn't exist, but science is not in the certainty business. However it has already answered a LOT of big questions and is working on the rest.

[boblackey1]

@Callirgos1 Well then you can't believe Stephen Hawking's claim that the universe created ITSELF OUT OF NOTHING and when it first popped into existence out of nothing, it was smaller than an atom and ALl energy, matter, time and space (no place outside of it for you to be located) was in this little universe which then BIG BANGED or inflated into what we have today which is so big that we can't understand how big it is. And God didn't do this miracle, it created itself. What magic!!

[Callirgos1]

@boblackey1

Sorry, I don't believe in magic. It's kind of a rule of mine.

[boblackey1]

@Callirgos1 Well go to the Hugh Ross website "Reasons to Believe" This Phd astronomer and his team of scientists have dozens of scientific reasons that to them proves God exists. I'm sure you can find a few that will impress even you. Athiesm is a dead end. It can not answer the big questions such as "how did the universe come about?", "how did life begin?", "If the big bang really happen, what caused it?" "If all matter, energy, time and space began to exist at big bang, what was before that"?

[djpob]

@RegretfullyYes but that was all over the media...