Quantum Canine Trip to the Vet Episode Intro

Kevin Behan and Trisha Selbach discuss bring a dog to the vet.

Category:

Pets & Animals

Tags:

• natural dog training
• dog training
• quantum canine
• kevin behan
• vet techniques
• control

[quantumcanine]

See earlier post

[quantumcanine]

Behavior 101: A metered bark is a dog in control of aggression, a hectic bark is aggression in control of a dog.

[PrometheansFire]

I've never said I was a scientist. I am writing about science as it is, as it is done, and as it is published in journals.

You shouldn't listen to me. You should familiarize yourself with the basic sciences (magnetism, electricity, etc) and then with our current research of ethology and pyschology. This should be enough for you to decide that Behan is spouting nonsense.

[sangster111]

Instead of just picking holes, why don't you offer a differing perspective and thoughts on what's going on in the dog's mind, so as to offer something to compare and contrast. People watch these videos hoping to get some information to help them and their dogs, and if you're really interested in that, then you should offer up some other material here to help enlighten them as to what you believe is going on in a dog's mind. Just a suggestion.

[sangster111]

I never claimed to be a scientist, but you are claiming to be. I asked your background because I was curious. I'm innately curious about many things, and before I decide to listen to anyone, I want to know why I should. You don't have to make assumptions about myself to make yourself feel superior. If that's why you're here, to make yourself feel superior, then yeah, I guess I have no reason to continue this discussion. But if you're really here to open up a discussion, then go for it.

[PrometheansFire]

No on what I've experienced. Based on reality. And objective, verifiable, quantifiable description of reality. Anything else is religion.

I suspect you have zero experience with real science because your opinions are not reflected in the published journals.

[sangster111]

Fair enough based on what you've experienced. You have your opinions, based on the science and research you've done that supports your belief system. I actually find that most behavior science tends to be more anthropomorphic in their language and theories than Kevin. I do believe that you have to fully understand another perspective or methodology before you try to find holes in it. You might be better served taking this up with him directly since this discussion isn't going to go anywhere.

[PrometheansFire]

His language doesn't mesh with reality. They are not 'magnetic' or 'electric' they don't 'vibrate', he has not show the existence of any circuitry. He uses anthropomorphic language and his other explanations don't pass the parsimony test. In this video he claimed that the tug is not what you claim he says. It is simply idiotic to claim that a dog that speaks on command 'gets aggression to the surface'

[sangster111]

Interesting. I'd say you are correct in that his language of explaining things doesn't mesh with your interpretation of them. Which is why I think it would be good if you were to investigate his methods more in depth, rather than judge them on miscommunication. Tug is an example. Because he believes the exact same thing, that tug is a cooperative experience and puts a dog into a cooperative state. All the same things you just said. But in this video it is left to misinterpretation.

[PrometheansFire]

As I wrote, his methods are a lot of woo-woo pseudoscience, anthropomorphism, plenty of projection and suppositions.

[PrometheansFire]

Read "Physiological and Behavioral Reactivity to Stress in Thunderstorm-phobic Dogs and Their Caregivers" - there is neither a - or + effect. Other subsequent reflect these findings.

Barking on command is a behavior and not related to aggression. Tugging is a cooperative experience, possibly prey driven and predatory behavior should not be confused with aggression. Chemically, physiologically and neurologically they are very different.