Reformation or Revolution?

This is derived from a blog entry I wrote entitled, "Reformation or Revolution?"

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[mrlittlemarvel]

But the Catholic church by order of Pope Leo X first burned the works of Martin Luther and sought to burn Luther at the stake, I ask have you read the book of Concord and if you have not then why not? But before the Lutheran church I ask what of the Greek christians that were outside the catholic church. You forget that Luther always said that all those who preach against the word of God are to be judged and punished by God. Why not read the 95 theses and then claim that Luther intend reformatio

[paleocrat]

@mrlittlemarvel I am not sure what your point is aout Leo X and Luther. I own the Book of Concord. I've also read the 95 Theses. For the record, I was a staunch Calvinist for about 10 years prior to my conversion to Catholicism. My opposition to Protestantism is laid out rather clearly in other videos. Bottom line: Luther's actions, and arguably his intent, was that of revolution, of reformation. Pure and simple.

[opinionhead444]

Plus, the Catholic Church itself has had its own schisms. Go ask Mel Gibson for more information.

[paleocrat]

Yes, we have schismatics. But we do not recognize their ordinations, sacraments, or status as a church.

Gibson's father is sedevacantist, but he is not.

[opinionhead444]

So, summed up, Luther's reformations basically led to the implosion of the Christian religion in the late Middle Ages. With the Renaissance behind the mentally accelerated, this led to the Enlightenment and eventually to the development of modern freethought. Interesting.

[paleocrat]

This is fallacious. Just because events took place as they did does not by necessity mean that they couldn't or wouldn't have happened otherwise.

One would also have to think that the so-called Enlightenment was a good thing and that the freethought that followed was also good. I see neither as being ethical advancements in either philosophy or sociology.

[mrlittlemarvel]

@paleocrat Look I am sure you have read all these things and made sure that you asked teachers in the Lutheran church to explain them and make clear Lutheran teaching. Now Lutheran's believe salvation can be found in the RCC and outside it but not outside of Christ. You can arguably say that the Peter being the rock reference made by Christ can be interpret as to say Peter's confession of faith that was shown a little early so all authority goes to Christ and not one man,

[truthseekeraustralia]

I love this mans logic! he is on the ball!

[desutterml1]

Instead of accepting the reforms, the Roman Church dug in their heels and surrounded their system with anathemas so people were afraid to leave.

[bammbamm12]

The Devil told Eve to "think for herself". Protestant preachers told the unwary that the Church kept them in the dark. Then the "enlightened" told man that all religion was designed to quell free thought. The old boy's trick still works.

[richmond450]

Right on! The One True Church rocks!