You can see him using his left hand to knock a camera out of one of the volunteers hands at 8 seconds and again at 12 seconds. He returns later and shoves or hits the cameraman several more times.
but in any case even if my logic is wrong you havent even attempted to think about it in critical thought so you'll get know where in trying to simplify the complexity of this world. this argument is about rights and ownership. i think the critical difference is that recording is simply recording and it's not like if you weren't recording you'd be doing anything wrong (given you're not filming whilst stalking). but then recording someone turns it into property which someone must own...
@rrhynes thnx for not answering my two questions at all. it's pointless telling me how it is because how it is in your country may be different to the rest of the world and if you dont understand why it is then you just dont understand and can't have a good opinion. like i say you havent attempted to counter my logic so it still stands that if one is not allowed to follow you one is not allowed to record you. i find it quite disgusting you thinking it nerurotic to not want a random filming you.
@TheStfu1000 AS you wish. I'm done discussing it. I don't make the laws. I'm just telling you how it is. If you don't want to be filmed in public, don't come to the US.
@rrhynes how did you tailor you response? 'neurotic behavior and not really a matter of privacy' what do you mean? there's no reconciling or court argument here like i said i was hoping we could learn from each other. these laws made in the courts originate from the type of discussion we are partially having or at least im trying to have. i presented my point to you in my previous post (and the post before) you haven't given a direct argument back to me so i'll assume my point stands correct.
@TheStfu1000 I made the assumption you were from the US and tailored my response appropriately.
Again, your arguments have probably been made in courts. I have no idea of their outcome. REgardless, the scenario you paint is vague and subjective. It's mainly a civil matter and won't be reconciled between the two of us. However, I feel your argument is pandering to neurotic behavior and not really a matter of privacy. Your image and physical presence is not "private" when out in public.
@rrhynes ...? meh.. i know what happened in the video. why would you have responded differently if you knew i was outside US? also dude... i KNOW you've said following is harrassment. dig deeper im saying surely if following someone around is harrassment ie viewing in person persistently against will is harrassment surely filming which gives you the capacity to view them for however long you want after is harrassment. im repeating my argument presented to yuo in last post wihch you didnt get btw
@TheStfu1000 I've already stated that following someone around could be considered harassment. There are mechanisms to deal with these issues, but violence is not one of them. Let's stick to the context of the video. I am telling you what the rules are in the US. YOu many not agree with them and I don't always either, but that's what they are right now.
@rrhynes right so following someone against their consent isnt illegal but filming them to watch the footage later to yourself for however long you've filmed them for against their will isn't? that doesnt equate. surely the latter would be considered harrassment if you're calling the former harrasment.
@TheStfu1000 If I had know you weren't a US citizen, I would have responded differently. If a person setting next to you on a train starts filming you, get up and leave or just accept it. It may be obnoxious, but it isn't illegal. Following someone with a camera could be considered harassment. Pesronal freedoms are extended even to those that are obnoxious , inappropriate and rude. We don't have "politeness" police in the US>
@rrhynes why did you wish i had said so? what's your profession? put it this way if yuo're on a train and the person sitting opposite you starts filming you and those sitting next to you and you don't want to be filmed surely he should stop filming. it's like you wouldn't allow someone to follow someone else around if they didnt want. it would be unfair to say oh that person can just keep walking away. so if you have a right to space you have a right to you being filmed. filming protestors's ok.
but in any case even if my logic is wrong you havent even attempted to think about it in critical thought so you'll get know where in trying to simplify the complexity of this world. this argument is about rights and ownership. i think the critical difference is that recording is simply recording and it's not like if you weren't recording you'd be doing anything wrong (given you're not filming whilst stalking). but then recording someone turns it into property which someone must own...
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@rrhynes thnx for not answering my two questions at all. it's pointless telling me how it is because how it is in your country may be different to the rest of the world and if you dont understand why it is then you just dont understand and can't have a good opinion. like i say you havent attempted to counter my logic so it still stands that if one is not allowed to follow you one is not allowed to record you. i find it quite disgusting you thinking it nerurotic to not want a random filming you.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 AS you wish. I'm done discussing it. I don't make the laws. I'm just telling you how it is. If you don't want to be filmed in public, don't come to the US.
rrhynes 3 months ago
@rrhynes how did you tailor you response? 'neurotic behavior and not really a matter of privacy' what do you mean? there's no reconciling or court argument here like i said i was hoping we could learn from each other. these laws made in the courts originate from the type of discussion we are partially having or at least im trying to have. i presented my point to you in my previous post (and the post before) you haven't given a direct argument back to me so i'll assume my point stands correct.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 I made the assumption you were from the US and tailored my response appropriately.
Again, your arguments have probably been made in courts. I have no idea of their outcome. REgardless, the scenario you paint is vague and subjective. It's mainly a civil matter and won't be reconciled between the two of us. However, I feel your argument is pandering to neurotic behavior and not really a matter of privacy. Your image and physical presence is not "private" when out in public.
rrhynes 3 months ago
@rrhynes ...? meh.. i know what happened in the video. why would you have responded differently if you knew i was outside US? also dude... i KNOW you've said following is harrassment. dig deeper im saying surely if following someone around is harrassment ie viewing in person persistently against will is harrassment surely filming which gives you the capacity to view them for however long you want after is harrassment. im repeating my argument presented to yuo in last post wihch you didnt get btw
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 I've already stated that following someone around could be considered harassment. There are mechanisms to deal with these issues, but violence is not one of them. Let's stick to the context of the video. I am telling you what the rules are in the US. YOu many not agree with them and I don't always either, but that's what they are right now.
rrhynes 3 months ago
@rrhynes right so following someone against their consent isnt illegal but filming them to watch the footage later to yourself for however long you've filmed them for against their will isn't? that doesnt equate. surely the latter would be considered harrassment if you're calling the former harrasment.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 If I had know you weren't a US citizen, I would have responded differently. If a person setting next to you on a train starts filming you, get up and leave or just accept it. It may be obnoxious, but it isn't illegal. Following someone with a camera could be considered harassment. Pesronal freedoms are extended even to those that are obnoxious , inappropriate and rude. We don't have "politeness" police in the US>
rrhynes 3 months ago
@rrhynes why did you wish i had said so? what's your profession? put it this way if yuo're on a train and the person sitting opposite you starts filming you and those sitting next to you and you don't want to be filmed surely he should stop filming. it's like you wouldn't allow someone to follow someone else around if they didnt want. it would be unfair to say oh that person can just keep walking away. so if you have a right to space you have a right to you being filmed. filming protestors's ok.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago