Hamza Leaves a Message

I wonder What Hamza is trying to achieve with this. After receiving, well half receiving, a message to me from Hamza, who has banned me from his Facebook page after I pointed out some mistakes in his reasoning, I felt compelled to look at his claims and assertions and show what I think of them and try to knock some sense into him and that his current attitude will not generate any respect from me. He follows the typical: "mistakes are made by others, not me" approach and does not realise there is more of a problem inside Islam and the understanding of the religion and its underlying book than the representation to the outside world. He focuses on details which are actually irrelevant to the overall point, the claim that the Koran does not contain factual errors.

My research and the ensuing results are presented to my best knowledge and ability. Please don't get me wrong: I know I make mistakes just like anyone, even if I try not to. So if I do, please tell me. But let me know what and where and why. Not the way Hamza is doing.

I wish Muslims would look at Carol Tavris and the dissonance theory and how self-justification and self-deception often keep people from changing their minds even in the light of compelling contrary evidence, because the evidence is often dissonant with one's self-image. Cognitive dissonance will make humans feel right even if they are wrong. All I takes is critical thinking. And self-awareness.

Sources:

http://www.nxtnews.com/mathematical-miracles-of-the-quran-about-dna-sequence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzuvURWpMFE


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Andreas Tzortzis posted on StopSpamming's Wall.

"StopSpamming: I know you are banned. But if you are reading this I am afraid I have to accuse you of insincerity. Your current video is an intellectual joke. You have misquoted and misunderstood your references. You produce a general ambiguous quote that mentions Syriac and Arabic together and assume that the earliest date is an Arabic translation. This is historically inaccurate, the first ever translation of Greek medicine was in the late 7th century (and this is contested), and Hellenic embryology in the 8th century. This is a fact. You are using sophistry again to obviously prove you are right. Why don't you read and be more nuanced? The other quotes you mention refer to Jundishapur, didn't you read the essay that breaks down the Jundishapur link (under the al-Harith bin Kalada section)? You have built a straw man. This is exactly why no one should engage with people like you as your are the propagator of misinformation. Shame on you. It is sad, as you are creating barriers between people of religion and atheists, no one should stereotype, but your actions just reinforce what many Muslims believe, that atheists don't care and are arrogant, and are not nuanced. I don't believe this, and I teach people in our dawah courses not to superimpose intellectual and emotional baggage on others, especially atheists, but you are making it hard for everyone. Your actions are intellectually irresponsible. You obviously still haven't read the essay, which deals with everything. You are in a position of responsibility and you should no better. Atheists who follow your videos, due to their current perspective, will agree with everything you said as it is against religion, even if it is inaccurate and misplace. You need to realise this if you are a man of conscience."



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[AtheismTV]

This is some of the best pwnage I've seen this year. ;-)

[StopSpamming1]

@AtheismTV

I'll come back in 362 days and ask again....

[ItsTotallyAwsome]

5:11 was the biggest fail. it said 8th century. The prophet died in 622 CE like Hamza said. Your ignorance has been exposed in the page. You ARE an intellectual joke. I didnt see the comment, but by watching this video you proved that opposite of what you were hoping for.; You are the intellectual joke!! The Prophet only could have copied it if it was avaliable at the time. You quote something from the eighth century. Epic Fail!!

[StopSpamming1]

@ItsTotallyAwsome

Yeah, you go and show them soothslayers. soothslayer? WHAT is that?

And Muhammad died in 622 CE??? Oh boy.

And please stop lying. The Koran tells you to be truthful, so why don't you follow what Allah commands?

[GeeKayKayGee]

Blocking your posts on his own page while hiding his own comment on your page, these are the actions of a bully and a coward. Shame on you Hamza.

[talkingprimate]

Your laugh is infectious!

[athanasiadis24]

Hamza is a joke. He said that science has nothing to say about us having ancestors because science is all about "seeing" and "touching". The man knows nothing of science. It's OK for him to say shit like that in shows like TheDeenShow, but to say such things elsewhere is just rude.

[halflifeproductionz]

The video was alrite but i think the comments section demolishes hamza 'miracle seeker' tzortzis.

[sylweg]

@Relloq

17. Hence, I wonder, why Tzortzis questions the facts - I'm quite sure the basis is only one - the facts are absolutely uncomfortable to him :-)));

Greetings.

[sylweg]

@Relloq

13. Muslims, who conquered Jundishapur, preserved ALL Jundishapur's INSTITUTIONS (eg. hospital, library, medical school, temples)

& provided jobs for the doctors who had been educated in Jundishapur;

14. Jundishapur school lost its splendor under Abbasids for its doctors preferred migration to the capital - Baghdad;

15. In Jundishapur school math, logic, etc. were taught, too - as a part of medical education;

16. Students had to know:

Hippocrates', Galen's & Dioscorides' books;

tbc

[sylweg]

@Relloq

10. One of these Arabic students of Jundishapur school was HARITH IBN KALADA - PHYSICIAN & PHILOSOPHER, renown as one of the greatest in pre-Islamic Arabia;

11. Harith ibn Kalada's son, Nadr, became one of the Hijaz's most celebrated doctors;

Nadr bought some books in Iran & READ THEM OUT TO THE QURAYSH TRIBE;

12. Nadr had held an important position in Jundishapur, but felt homesick & returned to Ta'if in Arabia;

tbc.

[sylweg]

@Relloq

6. almost all residents of Jundishapur were multilingual (Greek, Syriac, Pahlawi, Hebrew, etc.);

7. the Jundishapur school could start as early as 4th century CE thanks to Shahpur II & Greek physician Theodoros;

8. about 529y Khusraw I settles Greek philosophers: Damascius, Siplicius, Eulamius, Priscianus, Isidore, Hermias & Diogenes in Jundishapur;

9. Jundishapur school was widely known also between nomadic Arabs of that time; some students were from Hijaz, too (modern Saudia);

tbc

[sylweg]

@Relloq

'American Jurnal of Islamic Social Sciences', vol. 22, spring 2005, claims:

1. Jundishapur city is founded in 260 by Sassanid emperor Shahpur I;

2. 50 years later Jundishapur became capital of the Sassanid empire for a time;

3. Scholars of Academy of Athens settled in Jundishapur around 529y;

4. after 489y some Nestorian Christian doctors (eg. Syriac Buhtishu family) settled in Jundishapur;

5. Khusraw I settled some Indian doctors (eg. Mankah) in Jundishapur (5th/6th century CE);

tbc.