Congressman Ok With Terrorists?

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[Duffter]

... at using metaphor to distort people perception of reality, and it seems the yanks are learning from them. Also, if you're 42 and lived in ireland but don't remember a British army campaign of terror, you must've been blind, stupid, or living under a fucking rock... or maybe just on the "right" side of the community.

[Duffter]

@mrdragon1968 - what bloodbath are you talking about? Sounds like typical British media bs excuse to stay in the island. "Oh, they're the good guys - they're here to prevent a blood bath". I guess we'll never know if that fantasy, hypothetical blood bath ever would have happened, we'll only know about the very real blood bath that happened while they were here. And it's been an awful lot quieter in the north now they're pulling out don't you think? The Brit media are wonderful at using metaphor

[MrDragon1968]

@EmeraldIsleStar "and I grew up with the British armys terrorist campaign in Ireland"

You did?

I'm 42 & I don't remember a 'British Army terrorist campaign' in Ireland- although some Northern Ireland Unionists did attempt some terrorism there across the border in the 70's. If you hadn't noticed, Ireland is a separate country to the UK.

[qwertypoiu4321]

2:17- Idiot, Ulster are loyalist.

[MrDragon1968]

@HioPojac One last point. I'm glad you shared your view, it's an honest, reasonable & fair interpretation from a nationalist's side. When people act this way we can have a genuine & sensible discussion. I grew up with the IRA's terrorist campaigns in Britain killing innocent people that had nothing to do with the troubles, so it drives me nuts when people defend/justify this (particularly so called Irish-Americans). However I also have a lot of empathy for the Nationalist argument on principle.

[MrDragon1968]

I've no problems with criticisms of how it was handled & totally understand why someone from Catholic side could feel like it was an ‘occupation’. I just had a major disagreement over the term 'illegal occupation' from a pro IRA plastic paddy in the US. That's not what happened. You can’t condense NI historically into silly statements like that. I'm just really glad so much is now behind us, & like most Brits I'd be happy for NI to leave the Union if it's right for the majority of people there.

[MrDragon1968]

@HioPojac Good posts & no disagreement. The military 'intervention' was very badly handled by the British side. They initially went in with right intentions, but then seemed to forget everything they learnt in Malaya about Hearts & Minds & so forth; foolishly also becoming a negative contribution to the situation. With increase of terrorism (& the unionists ALSO committed terrorist acts) it became a giant cluster fuck; emotions & abuse ran high on both sides & Bloody Sunday was also inexcusable.

[HioPojac]

@MrDragon1968 So, I hope you can imagine that that sort of harrassment, and picture Saracen and Saladin APCS rolling through the streets of whatever town you live in, and roadblocks, house searches, being arrested or detailed or screamed at by soldiers with assault rifles...and you can then perhaps imagine why people thought of the British presence as an illegal occupation.

Your comments are sensible, but I thought I'd share that to explain why some feel the way they do, even now

[HioPojac]

@MrDragon1968 You can imagine, UDR membership gave military training and experience to loyalist terrorists.

As a Catholic, i didn't feel that the police force would protect me, because the RUC had the same connections to loyalist gangs.

Soldiers would harrass Catholic civilians. If a soldier called you a "murdering IRA cunt", or jumped on the bonnet of your car and aimed his rifle at you, screaming, you'd file a complaint, and get a letter back saying it was "under investigation"