Krugman gets p3wned on Canadian Health Care

blah blah blah. Edge is right. Call him a name. facts hurt. blah blah blah.

Actually, not entirely true. 85% of the US users in health care think it does a good job for them, while 75% see room for improvement.

However, youre really comparing apples to oranges. Because polling is self-reporting. Like the Canadians in the room with Krugman (who actually lived in the US to spend time under both systems) all said it was pretty lousy.

Its not too hard to imagine that people who 1) never lived anywhere else to make a comparison, and 2) think its "free" will think

cont--that they like their system.

However, what is inescapable, regardless the polling data, is that the socialized systems are not sustainable. Even by rationing care, they still spend more than they take in. Its going to collapse sooner or later, regardless how many Canadians like it.

Inferior care and eventual collapse? Or the best health care in the world?

Only a moron would choose the former over the latter.

As for the Michael Moore comment. I'm not sure why you would say something like that. I dont rely on Mike Moore for statistical data when I, or anyone else, can research that very same data. Although I've enjoyed his movies, I am not one of these fanatical Mike Moore ppl. It would be as ignorant as me assuming that you base all your opinions off of what Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity tells you.

BrassiXXL

"You'll soon come to realize that you've been lied to by private healthcare lobbyists, as well as, the politicians they have in their pocket."

You are absolutely correct. You made an assumption about me as I quoted above, so I made an assumptive statement about you in hopes you could see the parallels. I don't base my opinions off statistical data I see as flawed or politicians with no first-hand knowledge in the subject. I do respect politicians with a back round in medicine though.

Well thats the thing, his assumption wasnt baseless at all. The research supports the fact that the vast majority of canadians not only prefer their system over the US, but are also very satisfied with it, which is why he assumed he would get a favorable response with that question. And of course Canada doesnt have a perfect system, I dont think anyone is pretending it is. No system anywhere will ever be close to perfect. The question is does a system like that function more effectively.

-LB

I think the question asked to Canadians evoked a response murked in national pride, which there is nothing wrong with. When you ask questions that compare countries to each other you are bound to get an emotional response that is prejudicial. That makes it baseless. So, when Krugman asked a question that didn't compare us to Canada he got a more accurate answer. Another reason it is baseless is because we are asking people with knowledge of only 1 system to compare 2 systems.

Except that those Canadians who said they had a lousy health care system (nearly all) voted AGAINST their own national pride. When you ask Canadians if the ythink they had a lousy system, and they all raise their hands "yes" then they are voted against national pride. Not with it.

Plus, as this was done in NYC, its very likely that these were Canadians who lived in the US and would therefore have a valid basis for comparisons.

@EdgemanLL2

"Except that those Canadians who said they had a lousy health care system (nearly all) voted AGAINST their own national pride."

They were not asked to compare their country with the US in Krugman's question. Watch the clip. They were asked to do just that in the poll you cited earlier on this page.

" its very likely that these were Canadians who lived in the US and would therefore have a valid basis for comparisons."

"Very likely" is not good enough. Lets deal with reality.

LMAO, yes, Lets deal with reality.

1) Canadacare is going broke, and has shittier service. Unsustainable.

2) Since NYC is 250 miles from any Canada border, its not likely that these people tripped, and fell 250 miles and stumbled into a health care debate.

So while we cant know for sure based on the info we have, dealing in reality we have to accept the logical premise that these are expats. Not Canadians just over the border for the day.