MBTA Orange Line Hawker Siddeley 01200

This is a 01200 series Orange Line car. These cars were built between 1979 and 1981 by Hawker Siddeley of Canada (now merged with Bombardier). These are the only type of cars used on the Orange Line and are the same cars as the Blue Line cars except they are longer, do not have pantographs, and have larger diameter wheels.

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[TheDylanJoyce]

what did they do with all the old hawker siddeleys?

[MBTAguy]

@TheDylanJoyce

The Orange Line ones have not retired yet. Eighteen of the Blue Line ones are still at the Orient Heights yard, kept in operable condition, but are not normally used. They are reserved for emergencies. They last saw revenue service in November of 2009.

[g4tech]

is that A H Series train here in toronto we have the Hawker h5 h4 and h6

[MBTAguy]

No, these trains are customized for the MBTA just as Toronto's H series cars are customized for Toronto. AFAIK, there is no such thing as a standardized heavy rail subway car in North America.

[videonut33]

ouch :(

[MBTAguy]

Have you even seen the new Blue Line cars? They look nothing like the Hawker Siddeley cars except for the dimensions. They actually look very similar to the 01800s on the Red Line. If you want to see the Blue Line with bigger and different cars, I suggest you donate a few million dollars to the T so they can widen the curve at State St. and build a new crossover just before Gov't Center.

[videonut33]

"NO CHOICE"?

what you have told me is the one true fact on what makes the T, well, the T.

[MBTAguy]

Siemens and the T had no choice. The Blue Line's tunnels have very tight clearances, especially the Bowdoin loop. The line was once a streetcar line, so that's why the cars are so small and clearances are tight.

[videonut33]

Oh yeah, The "T" has ordered some cars for the Blue Line that are-- get this-- BUILD IN THE SAME STYLE AS THE Hawker/Siddeley 0600 CARS!!!!

[R36Redbird]

The Blue Line 0600 and Orange Line 01200 cars were based on the PATH PA3 cars, built in 1972 (also by Hawker Siddeley).