Do I not like that - Part 13 - The Holland game - part 2

This part contains the Koeman incident as well as Taylor arguing with the linesman.

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Sports

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• football
• soccer
• England
• Do
• not
• like
• that
• Graham
• Taylor

[TeamOfThe80s]

again, thanks to the uploader for the upload. Very hard to find this video. Kudos to you mate, I assume that you are either Dutch or Norweigen, or work for the tabloids!!! Of course your Wolves tag gives it away. I guess Taylor should've selected Stevie Bull eh??? lol

[CadenWolves]

@TeamOfThe80s

Thanks a lot mate. Actually I'm Danish.

I originally bough this video, because I was (and still am) a Wolves fans. When Taylor took charge of Wolves in 1994, I remembered having watched this show on telly, the year before, and since I basically bought anything Wolves related back then, purchased it. It then dusted away at my basement for years, until youtube came along, and I decided to share it with all you guys.

[CadenWolves]

As for Taylor, I actually didnt like him, when he was England manager, partly because as you say, he refused to call up Steve Bull.

However, despite failing to win promotion with Wolves, he absolutely won me over. Not least because he took great responsibillity in fan relations, including responding personally to letters I send, even commenting on players I suggested! He was known for doing that, and didnt even cancel an appointment to visit a local school, held on the day he was sacked!

[TeamOfThe80s]

@CadenWolves Its funny that as a Dane that you took such a great interest in it, given that you were the European champions at the time! I think that your total football inspired 1986 side was better than the 92 team but hey, it was 92 when they won it!

[CadenWolves]

@TeamOfThe80s

Well yeah, but has been a fan of English football all my life, and a fan of Wolves for 20+ years.

As for Denmark, I totally agree with you. We had a whole generation of talented footballers retiring after 1988, and the whole team had to be rebuild, and as you say, the 1992 wasnt as talented as the 1986 team, but still managed to win it. It had a lot to do with team spirit when they won in 1992. I'm good friends with Elstrup who scored the winner against France, as I am currently

[CadenWolves]

writiting his biography, I get to hear a lot of stories about 1992.

What he tells is basically that there where absolutely no expectations as the team arrived in Sweden. Everybody just wanted to have a good time, and do the best they could. It meant no nerves, and that the team could play freely. I guess thats a key to any teams success, that if you can create an atmosphere of freedom, most teams will blossom.

[GasheadWez]

Disgusting decision. Disgraceful. Still rankles now all these years on!

Keepers positioning for the Koeman freekick was equally bad though...

[Jerzak80]

"you know the rulings" "what sort of thing is happening here?"

Still disgraceful to see it today.

[40ChampagneSupernova]

@xpat73 .. Very true that's why our coupons come down everyweek !!.. I remember in1984 EUROPEAN cup semi Dundee Utd led Roma 2-0 after 1st leg.. The then manager Jim McLean( a tough old dude who worshipped Utd said). We wont go through even with a 2 goal lead due to matters out of our hands before the 2nd leg in Italy, we wont get anything there... Utd were denied a stonewall penalty and lost 3-0

[xpat73]

I do not think it really occurred to anyone back then that games were fixed and refs were beign bought off. Since 1993 things have come out about past games that seemed odd at the time: Anderlecht v. Forest 1984 UEFA cup, Italian league and Marseilles match fixing....betting fixes in other sports like international cricket. I think people were naieve back then....but I think some of these games like this were fixed.

[xpat73]

It is amuisng...because of the 1990 WCUP, Sir Bobby was heralded as a genuis. But people forget that the same media wanted to crucify Bobby Robson in 1988 and 1989 when they were crap. Then Gazza got his debut in March 1989 and good things started to happen. Taylor did not have Gazza as he was injured. England were very average in this period....although Taylor did not help himself by not picking Waddle who was playing great stuff for Marseilles at the time.

[jamminjackhammer]

not taylors fault, england were just shit

[bluetonic78]

@tomd2103 Exactly. I remember watching it on TV but what I had forgotten in the midst of time was how well England played that night and how much they dominated (or at least the highlights indicate that). The Koeman decision was a disgrace as highlighted so much in the fact that he scored the goal later on when A) He shouldn't have been on the pitch and B) it shouldn't have been re-taken as you say.

[tomd2103]

@bluetonic78 England were on the end of some poor decisions that night. Koeman should have walked for the foul on Platt and then the ref did not order the free kick to be retaken when the player blocking the ball was not ten yards. This was made worse when he did reorder a Dutch free kick to be retaken for the same offence and they scored off the second one!!

[bluetonic78]

You can't help but feel sorry for Taylor. Granted, he ultimately did a poor job but looking back on the Holland game England should have had the Dutch and came away desperately unlucky on the night not just from the ludicrous Koeman decision but hitting the post a couple of times.......

[daveated]

Im a scot ...but for what its worth ..I thought Taylor was a good manager.

Always seemed to get a good team spirit.......to the death Andy...classic.