Screams, Slaps and Lovaas

A reply to christschool about

- This article: http://neurodiversity.com/library_screams_1965.pdf

- About 'Devil kids'* (Kids that are so bad they are 'out of control' and seem to do it just to upset other people for the fun of it, not because they don't like that person, are angry at them, being abused, etc). Are there any people really like this, or are magazine articles just trying to make things look worse than they actually are?

- Are autistic kids 'devil kids'? Is there any relationship between the two?

- Is this sort of 'tough love' therapies good for anyone, and do 'devil kids' (if these kids *really* do like to upset other people for the fun of it) deserve it? Does it actually help them? What about criminals?

- Should we even bother treating 'habits of madnes' AKA harmless repetitive behaviours and obsessions. Are they harmless? Are behaviour therapies for autism any good? Should they be used? Do you have any kids in that sort of therapy?

Opinions from everyone please! Whether you are a parent or not, autistic or not or have any autistic kids. I'd like to know other people's points of view. Also as an added curiosity, are there any autistic parents with neurotypical kids? What is that like?

Also lol @ psychology in the 60s. I wonder if 40 years from now we will look back and say 'Wow, boy was that theory so wrong!'. Remember corpral punishment? I don't, but when did that get phased out?

*Devil kids: What I mean by this is kids who doo things for the sake of hurting others such as:
- Breaking everything in the house
- Pissing everywhere
- Self harm, such as starving themselves for the sake of upsetting the parents
- Attacking baby sibling
- Other general things that upset the parents and that's the purpose of it.

I am not talking about:
- kids getting violent because they are fustrated, upset, etc.
- Throwing tantrums
- Not listening/ or 'doing what is told'

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• aspergers

[LucyShy]

Autism is sooo much more complicated than that. They aren't neurotypical. They do not think, the way other children think. They don't react, the way other children react. In a way, they are sweet, since they aren't as cunning and manipulative as a NT child. They just are who they are. They are also very hard workers, since they have to deal with so many things just to.. speak, dress, communicate, that a NT child just naturally learns. To say they are a devil is really misinformed.

[nervousneuron]

Thanks for this nice reply! Seems like nobody thinks autistics are manipulative any more than average (I didn't think so either, it must be just a product of journalism and making things appear worse than they are as parodied in Christschool's video Nyrotypicalism Everyday). And that's a good point that it's less likely, I didn't even think of that.

[tester7555545]

I like your bandana

[nervousneuron]

I haven't heard from you in ages and I was wondering what happened, though I suppose your LJ explained that :(

[christschool]

Wow, 3 years ago. Time flies.

[JonahTorn]

I have Tourettes and there were members of my family who never understood things I did when I was young like looking as if I was talking to my self, rubbing against walls to feel even and stuttering that would come and then disapear. It can be hard with Tourettes because we are not to litteral. We tend to know exatly what every expression and reaction means and we know when people do not understand us very well.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

Autistic child born w/ different brain & exhibits "Stimulus Overselectivity" meaning doesn't learn properly through natural exposure (unfocused) conditioning

Tough love is not necessary & can B avoided 2 detriment if unaware of how to compensate is avoided

Tough love is not key. Behavioral momentum is key more then love 4 their progress

Temper tantrums R 95% of time related 2 language/expression barriers so learning theory that works (ABA) would help them not harm themselves or others

[ABAisSCIENCE]

No kidding autism is spectrum disorder & Lovaas' procedure took kids like 1 U mention who rocks back & forth or who bites their pinky finger straight off with their own mouth & taught them 2 talk & live in society seemingly pretty normal or obviously disabled, but able 2 work a regular job.

What happened 2 child U call worst case?

1 of my nephew's could not speak & would harm himself & others in past, but now speaks normal, but is obvious impaired.

What would U do? Let rock no progress.

[truejustice1]

Just have a cycle of reprocushions to were the most boring and worse punishments first then if they keep having problems help them just because there a problem child and test them all...

[Grapejuice22]

There are different degrees of autism.

The sevearist case I saw was a little boy who had neurotoxicity from mercury in his vacine, the poor boy rocked back and forth and shaked his hands, it was so sad.

The mildest cases are when a person behaves normaly to others but inside their mind they feel that there is a communication barier, and some lose screw.

[hvetebroed]

Interesting! Thanks for the info.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

Try reading about autism as to what it really was in the past and then you might understand the literature more.

My family members did not talk until an intervention was applied.

Perhaps you are speaking about aspergers.

As an aside one of my nephews are indistinguishable now and the other who wasn't even making sounds can speak quite well, but he is obviously disabled within three seconds to anyone.

[hvetebroed]

No. I'm not autistic. And my son has language. He made a youtube video. His screen name is arnebenne. :-)

[ABAisSCIENCE]

hvetebroed,

Is your son talking? If not then you might want to look into behavior modification. This is because 50 years ago not much was known about how to teach them and so things have changed big time since this article.

90% of children with autism can learn functional language by ABA.

47% can B indistinguishable by ABA & what this means is they learn naturally now & fit into society as opposed 2 self-stimulating all the time or being frustrated due 2 being unable 2 communicate.