Men's Rights Discussion, Part One

In which I discuss a conversation I had with someone who said he campaigned for men's reproductive rights, attempt to negotiate some aspects of abortion, and generally discuss the issues he raised.

The video which sparked the conversation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTE7-n6_s8k

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• abortion
• reproduction
• women
• men
• men's
• rights
• campaigns
• discussion
• debate
• ad
• hominem
• aggression
• sexism
• baby
• foetus
• equality

[Snakepliskinist]

I'm all for abortion rights...we have a serious population problem on this planet. But feminism is either patently sexist or has an expiration date. Assuming feminism will succeed in creating equality, it is destined to become sexist the instant it does so and every instant after. Are we to believe that feminism will disband the instant equality is acheived? Is that consistent with human nature as we understand it? Moreover if only women's rights are championed, how are we to know?

[CriminalQueer]

@Snakepliskinist If feminism creates an equal society, it will cease to be. We will be happy. That is all.

As for human nature, it depends who you ask. In my view, once people have got what they want, they stop asking for it.

I don't really understand what your last question is asking.

[Snakepliskinist]

@CriminalQueer I'm saying that if feminists are the agent of change as well as the judge of when equality is acheived, are we to trust that they will ask for women's rights only to the point of equality and not more? Is it human nature to only take what is fair, or do they generally press the advantage? As long as feminism only advocates women's rights, it cannot be trusted to ensure equality. I have never heard of a feminist group speak out against anti-male sexism.

[CriminalQueer]

@Snakepliskinist Oh. Well, have a look at some feminist blogs and you'll see. Mostly we're just asking to not be raped, to have control over our own bodies (e.g. legal abortion), to be paid the same amount for the same work, and not to have stereotyped/absurd things expected of us.

Also, the main tenet of most feminists is that we are against the patriarchy -- which harms, restricts, and stereotypes men as well as women. So once we're rid of it, everyone will be better off.

[CriminalQueer]

@Snakepliskinist As for feminist groups never speaking out against anti-male sexism, may I recommend the Good Men Project, noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz (a wordpress blog), and Toy Soldiers. Men can be feminists too.

[themaniusedtob]

You mistake equality of opportunity with equality of outcome..

[shmiggen]

Excellent breakdown of feminism here: owningyourshit dot blogspot dot com

She also has YT videos: girlwriteswhat channel.

[bluestars982]

@rainbowbrainhead How come women aren't picking up my garbage each week? How come women aren't plowing the streets after a snowstorm? How come women aren't repairing power lines in the darkness after a storm? Funny how you claim equality but you don't want to actually work. AA is stupid on all counts. People should be hired on skills and experience and nothing else. The people who run the country happen to be mostly men. "Men" don't run the country.

[rainbowbrainhead]

@bluestars982 You still never answered why you're not complaining that Affirmative Action also protects minorities...

[rainbowbrainhead]

@bluestars982 Yes well we all know what happened before Affirmative Action now don't we? I guess you white male supremacists are still butt hurt over the fact that you don't hold EVERY SINGLE JOB in America but according to our government, there's a lot of jobs that only hispanics are willing to do. How come you white men aren't out picking ripe fruit every summer out west? Nope sorry it is not feminists who created this problem. It's still a male run country.

[bluestars982]

@rainbowbrainhead They argue for equality but instead they want equal outcome. Get the same things men get without any responsibilities. In other words, without doing the actual work. Let's bitch, whine, and cry to our ultimate protectors (the government) and they'll give it to us on a silver platter. That's laziness.

[bluestars982]

@rainbowbrainhead lazy ass apeshape? That's a new one. How long did it take you to come up with that? Hiring ANYBODY because someone has to fulfill a fucking quota is ridiculous. I didn't say men couldn't go to college. I'm saying there is NO incentive to go. Whose fault is that? Feminists. They created this culture.

[rainbowbrainhead]

@bluestars982 Everytime you type something you're more and more hypocritical. Yeah, I suppose blacks and other minorities also are helped by the same affirmative action laws but I don't see you complaining about that. What jobs do women hold that you want? Hairdresser? Panty salesman? I'm curious what jobs women hold you want. Men can go to college just as men as a woman can. You're a bigger whinger than the feminists you fingerpoint at. Get a job lazy ass apeshape.

[rainbowbrainhead]

@bluestars982 What did you base your 'theory' on that feminists are lazy and obnoxious bigots? Certainly I can bet you've met very few feminists who meet this criteria. You are generalizing yet you see fit to chastize me for actually HAVING EVIDENCE in black and white? Right. Very illogical thinking on your part. Exactly how did I attempt to shame YOU? You're the one who immediately started flinging dirt at my comments so you're pretty hypocritical.

[bluestars982]

@rainbowbrainhead So you base everything on youtube videos? Yeah that sounds like something a feminist would say. If you want to see a bigot look in the mirror. More women are employed because of affirmative action type laws. Quotas. They are also graduating college at a higher rate due to the fact that the government gives them handouts to succeed where men are given nothing. Women are given a reason to go to college. Men are given a reason not to.

[bluestars982]

@rainbowbrainhead LOL. How old are you little girl? I've lived for 39 years in the most anti-male society in our history. The only hypocrites are feminists. Liars and cry-babies. Feminists are full of anger and hatred because they don't have a dick. Feminists are also incapable of debate. When presented with the truth their usual response is some sort of shaming tactic. Nice try. It won't work anymore.