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Uploaded by on Oct 8, 2011

When the General Assembly meets the people use hand signals to convey how they feel about what is being said. The use of hand signals allows the speaker to continue talking without interruption, though the audience is still communicating their approval or disagreement. Plus, wiggling your fingers is fun!

Thanks to the Press Team's Mark Bray for the explanation.

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  • @thereinliestherib Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Now it's time to focus on my homework. Peace.

  • @gatogreensleeves Thanks for your time.  All the best.

  • @thereinliestherib I do agree with you here with the former, but there is always the need for the latter at some point. Some times call for it more than others. We can end this conversation on some agreement.

  • @thereinliestherib Haha- yes, I agree, they reap profits *as individuals*.

  • @gatogreensleeves Here we can agree. You know what else they have in Europe? Stronger social capital (more individual responsibility), taxes on the negative behaviors that drive up costs for healthcare, better health rates, etc. Their systems succeed because they incorporate a counterbalances to over-entitlement and the free-rider effect. Unions, corp's and lobbies block EVERY attempt to make our systems efficient by enforcing any degree of personal responsibility.

  • @gatogreensleeves In other words perception is circular, and the real world does not exist. I don't want to divorce taxes--current taxes should be plenty enough. The reason our system is broken is because nobody wants to reform toward any actual degree of personal responsibility. And don't think for a second its about "social morality"--companies, unions, and state institution reap huge profits from the dependent class they perpetuate.

  • @thereinliestherib That's not what the science says. Read JD Trout's The Empathy Gap where he makes a great empirical case for social programs improving upward mobility when combined with open markets. You're arguing against communism not the "good European" hybrid I've been advocating all along. Be careful of that. Our biases want to attack the irrelevant strawman.

  • @thereinliestherib No it is not one component; it covers it all. Not like one part of wall painted blue, but a whole wall in a different shade- a filter. You can't delineate this from experience. I think you're separating too many things out in vacuum packages and belying holistic connections that have meaningful effects on social conditions. I agree ontology and epistemology are different. Taxes are the responsibility that the right wants to divorce.

  • @gatogreensleeves That's neat, but its only one component of experience; the world itself is another animal. On multiple philosophical levels we'd agree more than disagree, if we kept getting into it. My point was simply that collectivist policy has created more inequality than it has resolved. Truly progressive (and sustainable) policies would be those that balanced entitlement with personal responsibility; in the US, we have the former, but divorce the latter.

  • @thereinliestherib This is where science can help. What you belie is our social nature that is interactive with and co-emergent with our epistemology. Morality is contingent upon it- even just thinking- intention and action, are affected socially *pre-instantiation of action* How? Besides predispostions to ingroup identity (crucial to how we categorize ideas nueronally), more importantly, there are *mirror neurons* that affect empathy profoundly. You literally feel others rib.

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