The Presumption of Atheism: Response 1 of 3

First video response of three to RobTheMonk8:

Continuing the discussion that was initiated between Dawahfilms, Veritas48 and myself.

Opening Statement (Telemantros):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g6ijSG3H8c&feature=video_response

Rob's Video Response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzyN_ynZq-s&feature=response_watch

DawahFilms Opening Statement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNt1xAqQGM8&feature=response_watch

Veritas48 Opening Statement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY1gEXYhfIM&feature=video_response

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[jokidder]

Is your definition of "god" any stronger than the god of the deists? If so, in what ways?

I don't understand how a deist or atheist would behave any differently (except in arguments on YouTube).

[telemantros]

Not sure what you mean by 'stronger,' do you mean more tenable? The main distinguishing feature would be that theism holds to a God who is involved and personal vs. a static God. From my specific theistic view (Christianity), I would hold that God was involved through the man of Jesus for instance.

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

@mistara31415 (If no God) It can and has been.

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

@mistara31415 They, don't have to be relative... but without God, they are. " On the other hand a moral doctor might make you suffer in a treatment to prevent greater future suffering." Hitler thought that he was doing that in comparison to the Human race. He was set on advancing the human race by eugenics. Societies do have universal axioms, but they are still subjective (if No God exists). The universal idea is not an old one. The zodiac indicates we are now entering the age of Aquarius.

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

@mistara31415 I will say this: Those principles are relative IF there is no ultimate basis for what is moral (God). Hitler's basis for morality maybe different from mine and who is to decide what is right for Hitler, but Hitler. Society? Not ultimately. Also, reality is without contradiction given the context of the individual. For example, motion. It is relative to the object, especially if one were to relate motion to different dimensions. You can't fully see a 3-d sphere in 2-d.

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

@mistara31415 Alright, one more... In short, so many things that I can't even list them all, but they all have roots in truth. Here are a few to list: fulfillment of prophecy, The resurrection case, no doctrinal error, existence of spiritual consciousness, origins, it explains the existence of intelligence i.e. mathematic law, DNA, constants, etc...it answers all of the Big* questions that alternative views can't; I see that the evidence agrees with it & I could give you so many more reasons...

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

Good luck with that... especially without God. For more information about the flood and the effects it had, you should take a look into the Creationist Catastophism seminar of Professor/Dr. Professor Walter J. Veith who was formally an Macroevolutionary professor for many years before becoming a Christian. I know He taught zoology and wrote many books, but if you want you can do some more reasearch on Him. I hope I was able to help you with your ?s in the midst of all the comments.

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

Like I said, having a Biblical/doctrinal knowledge of God's sovereighnty is crucial. Hopefully you were able to understand what I was attempting to relate to you in text. I recommend searching for some more credible sources, but I know it is difficult because some appear to be Biblical in what they say, but really aren't like Mormons, true Catholics, and muslims. If they do not use the Bible and use it to explain itself, they most likely are false teachers. Misconceptions aren't contradictions.

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

@mistara31415 pt.2 ....Your ? is "Does God do moral actions, because moral actions are moral, OR are moral actions moral because God does them?" If one were to put God into a category of morality, He would be the basis b/c morals came from Him. He transcends the laws He set into play, but He's held to the standards He set for Himself. Sometimes we may not understand what He does, because He trandscends our knowledge, but that doesn't mean He is unjust or immoral because we may not understand.

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

@mistara31415 What is wrong with the flood story? I have studied much about it and at first I didn't see that it made much sense as far as the ark holding all the animals and the Geologogical impact of the flood upon the earth- even the Historical record (in reference mesopotamian origins) didn't seem to agree, but I found otherwise. As far as your question, you must believe in Objective morality, rather than moral relativism so there would seem to be a basis for all morals. cont....

[xTheUnknownTruthx]

@xTheUnknownTruthx I meant to put why we as in all humans can't have free will with suffering at the moment, but doesn't matter. Evil is why we have death suffering etc....it is a product of misued free will.