Guns Reduce Crime Debate: R Gil Kerlikowske (3 of 13)

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[MotorsbyShooter]

What a F U C K I N G idiot...Seattle should be so proud of a dousche like this.

[hippiestomper17]

incorrect assumptions and scare tactics. I have a CCP and I have a very high carry percentage.

[darwinkilledgod]

@AmadeusPower I'm pretty sure the ban on Japanese swords is punishable by 6 months, not 7 years... Did they recently increase it?

Regarding this video, a link between murder rates and gun ownership is to be expected by either theory. High crime areas will result in armed citizens who are afraid for their lives. A simple correlation isn't very useful here.

[AmadeusPower]

Guess how most criminals keep their guns in the UK? They give it to a kid - 10 to 13 years old - along with a cell phone. When they need the gun, they call the kid, who must always be just around the corner. They use the gun and give it back to the kid, so police will never find a gun on them.

That has the added effect of corrupting and endangering kids!

Just great, isn't it?

Another great joke from the UK: They put a 7 year mandatory sentence on carrying a Japanese sword. Idiots!

[AmadeusPower]

His claims about the UK are an outright lie:

the number of illegal guns increase EXPONENTIALLY since the gun ban. They estimate that there are now 1 to 2 MILLION guns, with a large number of fully automatic weapons like Uzis. If you break the law, you may as well break it with serious gun, not just the average hand gun (NB: bad choice, but that's how criminals think).

Most UK police officers are now, in fact, armed. Citizens disarmed, police armed. Roles switched.

[AmadeusPower]

It's also quite amazing how police chiefs always support gun control - which is popular with their political superiors, the mayors.

A police chief is a POLITICAL FUNCTION and if they want to stay on the job, they have to please the politicians.

The rank and file of police forces support the right to carry, because it makes their lives easier!

[AmadeusPower]

Why did he not mention that school shooting at the Virginia School of Law, where a Nigerian shot the director, then started a rampage through the school? He was stopped by 2 students who ran to their cars to get their private guns and who STOPPED THE RAMPAGE AT GUNPOINT?

As soon as the Nigerian was confronted by the 2 armed students, he dropped his own gun - after shooting just 2 people instead of 5 or 10 or 35.

Funny how they always glaze over REAL LIFE EXAMPLES that contradict their theories

[AmadeusPower]

Utah DOES allow students to carry guns. They haven't experienced a mass shooting in any university with armed students ever since. NONE. No shoot-outs between legally armed students EVER.

Also in Utah, the mass shooting in a "Gun free zone" (one of 2 shopping malls banning guns in town) by an Albanian refugee was STOPPED by an off-duty police officer from another city, who could legally keep his gun as PRIVATE CITIZEN due to his job.

Good thing that cop didn't think the gun was "uncomfortable"

[AmadeusPower]

Guns and suicides are NOT related: Japan, complete ban on guns, England, complete ban on guns, both have HIGHER suicide rates than the US!

How do they commit suicide without guns? By hanging, jumping off bridges, in front of trains etc. Very popular in Japan: by mixing cleaning products to produce hydrochloric acid vapors.

In Canada, stricter gun controls did NOT reduce suicides, it just reduced the number of guns used in suicides, but those were fully substituted by other methods.

[ustfu]

I don't care what YOU THINK. Show me the data!