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[benthemiester]

Water cooling systems are placed in computers all the time and the tube in your trachea is water tight. You first complained that you can choke, so it has to be air tight, which also means it has to be water tight, and now you say its not water tight. Which is it? You cant have it both ways.

[gsusreloded]

@benthemiester never mind about the computer example...I think that it just confused you more.

[benthemiester]

I have gone out of my way to respond to every question even quoting you to make sure you understand what I was responding to, so please give me the same courtesy. So far your argument has been based on, you dont like the way the trachea is designed so therefore design is out of the question or because you dont understand it. You didn't even realize that people could live and thrive in extremely harsh conditions like freezing cold or extreme heat.

[gsusreloded]

@benthemiester Because you are desperately trying to change the nature of good design to a matter of opinion I feel pretty safe in assume that you have NEVER designed a complex system of any type. Again, answer this simple question, Why would a designer choose a system that is more prone to malfunction, over a system that is less prone to malfunction? ANSWER THIS QUESTION PLEASE SIR!

[benthemiester]

"%100 of cannot be used by life as we know it!"

This seems to indicate something very special, and that is life as we know it is human life here on earth. So the fact that these non religious men which base this proposition on empirical observable evidence would say such a thing, indicates how special we really are. See Rodger Penrose fine tuning and entropy or the Privileged Planet.

[gsusreloded]

@benthemiester Sir, you can't have it both ways...the universe is designed for life, but the vast majority cannot support life as we know it, So now you're insinuating that something set up this solar system to support life, and that this thing did it in a way that looks completely indistinguishable from chance...interesting argument...

[benthemiester]

cont...Concerning the inflationary model

FINE TUNING AN INFLATION

Fine-tuning problem

One of the most severe challenges for inflation arises from the need for fine tuning in inflationary theories. In new inflation, the slow-roll conditions must be satisfied for inflation to occur. The slow-roll conditions say that the inflation potential must be flat (compared to the large vacuum energy) and that the inflation particles

[benthemiester]

cont.....must have a small mass. In order for the new inflation theory of Linde, Albrecht and Steinhardt to be successful, therefore, it seemed that the universe must have a scalar field with an especially flat potential and special initial conditions

. Liddle and Lyth (2000).

Penrose cites just how special the initial conditions had to be in order for the universe to come about, and again its the same exponential ratio cited before.

[benthemiester]

@gsusreloded I said that according to Paul Davies most physicist & cosmologist believe the universe is fine tuned and in several respects fine tuned for life. I also said Rodger Penrose agrees........

[benthemiester]

@gsusreloded cont.... He calculated the chance of these exponential low probabilities at less than 1 in ten to ten to the 123rd power. If these ratios of the cosmological constants were off just by a tiny margin, not only life, but matter itself would not even be able to form. You can make what you will of this empirical observation or write it off as an exponential amount of cosmic coincidences if you wish, but you believe that the universe spans 100 billion years and that humans cannot live

[benthemiester]

@gsusreloded cont....extreme cold or heat. Yet eskimos and desert nomads have been doing it for thousands of years. Your credibility is at question right now. You have said many things that are just false or show a lack of research on your part. I am not sure where your getting this stuff from but if the universe is 12-14 billion years old then it can only be 12-14 billion light years across. I ask you again how can a universe that is only 12-14 billion years old span 100 billion light years.

[benthemiester]

@gsusreloded cont..... This is absurd. Please provide references for that statement, as I have provided citing Davies and Penrose. If you like, I can provide additional citations. I see a double standard here. You wrote in your profile that "I just want to correct those to foolishly attack science in an attempt to prove Gods existence" Here It is you who is attacking an empirical scientific observation because it doesn't conform to your world view.