Do the Creeds accurately portray what Jesus said and did?
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@benadam74 How about, 'baptise them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit'?
neoclassicism1 1 month ago
I reject the creeds as being an attempt to mix Biblical doctrine with greek thought forms.
I get my trinity from the Bible not the so called church fathers. I am NO denier of the trinity, BTW
Strefanasha 3 months ago
@AbrahamicMovement You argue that it is "simply incredible that Jesus was not a unitarian monotheist"; and that we "know this for certain". I want to say that the use of the term "unitarian" is problematic here because the term came into existence precisely as a rejection of trinitarianism; and of course Jesus wasn't rejecting anything, but affirming something. What was he affirming? The One God. Yes; sure. But trinitarian theology is precisely the form of christian monotheism.
bayreuth79 8 months ago
With respect to the learned Bishop, it is simply incredible that Jesus was not a unitarian monotheist. We know this for certain from his agreement with a Jewish scribe reciting the Jewish unitarian creed. Mk. 12:29ff. demonstrates that Jesus was an avowed unitarian. "YHVH is one single LORD." The embarrassing thing for the Church is that it has failed to maintain its own founder's creed. Jesus was not a Trinitarian, as I have shown in my book under that title. Spinning the facts will not do.
AbrahamicMovement 8 months ago
With great respect to the learned Bishop, it is simply incredible that Jesus was not a unitarian monotheist. We know this for certain from Jesus' agreement with a Jewish scribe reciting the Jewish unitarian creed. Mk 12:29ff. demonstrates that Jesus was an avowed unitarian. YHVH is one single LORD. The embarrassing thing for the Church is that it has failed to maintain its own founder's creed. Jesus was not a Trinitarian, as I have shown in my book under that title.
AbrahamicMovement 8 months ago
clarifying? I dare anyone to read the Creeds and see if they clarify the already clarified Scriptures.
kyzersoze74 8 months ago
Yes, and most sane scholars would agree. You cannot hold people to implicit biblical teachings yet ignore the clear teachings regarding the absolute unity of YHWH [Mar 12.28-29; Jn 17.3].
benadam74 2 years ago
did you even watch the video?
talkisreal22 2 years ago
Additional information:
The Creeds derive from questions, new members of "The Way" had to understand and affirm.
Do you believe in G-D?
The Nicene Creed reworked the questions into an affirmation: one of the reasons the Nicene Creed says much with sparsity words.
Hkepfer 2 years ago
The Trinity is nowhere found nor taught in the scriptures.
benadam74 2 years ago