Hagia Sofia - Αγία Σοφία 2

Η Αγία Σοφία η ωραιότερη εκκλησία στον κόσμο και παγκόσμιο σύμβολο της Ορθοδοξίας. Μέρος 2ο

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[sbayir75]

You catholics looted and burned the city of Constantinople during the fourth crusade. you should first return the stolen artifacts to the patriarch before supporting them.

[progonolatreia]

stupite ass if the city is suppozet to call it islabol ,why you call it istanbul...

are you stupite in turkey or what?

and if you are stupid down there why you don call allah like allas?

polis belong to the greeks motherfucker

[Lhein33]

@3dwardcullen69 If ancient Romans were greatly influenced by the Greeks (and they indeed were) then the elements they gave to Rhomania were partly greek too. It's important.

Constantinople was adorned with greek statues (even of pagan gods), the basic texts in school were the ancient greek (Homer, Plato, Aristotle) and the christian ones (written in greek language too). There were a lot of icons of ancient greek philosophers, poets etc even in churches, but almost none of latin ones.

[3dwardcullen69]

@Lhein33 I'm sure that to most Greeks, everything is Greek. I know that the Romans adopted many Greek ideas in their culture, but saying that Rome was a Greek city based on this alone is not a realistic view. Culture changes over time, and even Greece had many cultural periods. We're talking about the medieval period. How are you so sure that it wasn't the Romans that influenced the Greeks at THAT time and Greek culture was the one to atrophy? Note that culture is different from language

[Lhein33]

@3dwardcullen69 The roman culture is the first derivative culture in Europe. It came from the greek culture. Heraclides Ponticus said in the 4th cent BC that Rome was a greek city, Livius Andronicus (a Greek) was the first Roman poet and some of the first Roman historians wrote in greek (3rd cent BC). Except for satura (satura tota nostra est) there is no other "pure" Roman genre.

The education in "Byzantium" was greek & roman but over time the greek part grew stronger while the other atrophied.

[3dwardcullen69]

@Lhein33 Furthermore you brought up the question of culture. And that is really hazy. How can say with certainty that its the Romans who embraced Greek culture and not the other way around? Everything from the architecture of the buildings to the entertainment, art and mosaics at the time screamed Roman culture in Constantinople and all over the Empire. And I think every historian would agree that in the Eastern Roman Empire, Roman and Greek culture fused into what they tragically call Byzantine

[3dwardcullen69]

@Lhein33 In an effort to appeal to the masses the early Orthodox church, wrote documents in Greek. Because Greek was the preferred language of the time by commoners. But not in all provinces. For example: in the province of Moesia(modern day Bulgaria) Latin was the preferred language by most citizens. Latin was still used in administrative matters until the 7th century. But again, even if Greek did become the new lingua franca, what does that have to do with the identity of the Empire? Not much

[Lhein33]

@3dwardcullen69 Answer me this question please: Why all the ancient divine liturgies are written in greek? I think it's clear: because greek was the lingua franca of that age. Everybody in the eastern empire spoke greek (some people along with other languages).

The Greeks didn't have a nation state until the 1820s. The same thing happens with a lot of other nations, because the idea of nation-state was created recently. The christian Roman empire had the greek culture, every historian says that.

[3dwardcullen69]

@Lhein33 The population of Constantinople didn't speak Greek always. The city was divided into quarters where many languages were spoken. The most common being Latin and Greek. It was later the Greek overtook Latin and yes this is when Greek became the new official language. Anyways point being, the language you speak doesn't make you indigenous, Greeks need to understand that before saying stuff like:"Constantinople belongs to Greece/ return Constantinople to Greece" it never belonged to Greece

[Lhein33]

@3dwardcullen69 I think nobody denies that the empire was the Roman Empire until the end. Constantine XI dies as the Roman Emperor.

The quite confusing thing is that the word Roman changed meaing over time. During most of the empire's time it refered to someone who was: Christian, citizen of the empire and with greek language/culture. Roman isn't necesseraly Latin. Greek was the official language of the state since 7th century (under Heraclius). The Church and the population spoke greek always.