Another Indoctrinated Child Fails Miserably (read description)

These are the two videos he "shared" with me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLXgTX55kUE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b-072VA4UA
And here is the argument he presented:
We all know the law of conservation of energy. But we should always know the law of cause and effect. If there was a cactus in the middle of the desert, would you believe it was always there? I hope not. Matter and energy can't always have existed without someone putting it there. Nothing can always have existed for eternity without cause. The only eternal being is God. Creation is the only possible way for the universe to exist. Because everything must have a cause. It is impossible for matter and energy to exist without someone putting it there.
- kababayanC2

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[TheOtherVenkman]

What's the intro song?

[ShwaNerd]

The song is Tortuga Bay from the album Death or Glory by the band Running Wild.

[sweetsweatyfeet]

Typical Christian hypocrite exempts his personal god theory from his own argument. Also thinks he can simply define god into existence by pure assertion and grant it with magical attributes he defines as impossible for anything else. This is special pleading taken to the extreme.

Also cause and effect are properties of matter/energy. The very existence of matter/energy are preconditions for cause and effect.

[cosmosofinfinity]

@arktheball You're upset about my profanity? What are you, 3? And I never said we CAN'T know, I have been saying we DON'T know. I don't think that's argument from ignorance, as much as it is simply admitting that we don't know everything about how everything came to exist as we know it. I'm not going to pretend to know the answers to the great mystery of the universe. And I'm already on YouTube, so I personally don't mind wasting some extra time on comment wars myself. But I guess you're "BUSY".

[arktheball]

@cosmosofinfinity I have tried to get you to see the flaws in your arguments, all you do is curse and say things like "We dont know how it happend," and " we cant know these things," is known as the logical fallacy of the argument from ignorance... which as I said again is no argument at all. If you would like to demonstrate why we cant know... that is a different story. And I dont think I am a "bigger man," I simply try to avoid waisting my time with foul mouthed jerks.

[cosmosofinfinity]

@arktheball I think I did pretty well, as I can't seem to find any flaws in what I just posted, but if you're going to bitch about my presentation and walk away thinking you're the bigger man, then go ahead.

Friendly tip: Pointing out how I was being ignorant would have helped your case. Not that your case isn't totally stupid anyway. "Just saying ;)"

[arktheball]

@cosmosofinfinity You simply demonstrate your ignorance in these three posts. I refuse to continue this if you insist on being an absolute jerk. And fyi, again an argument from ignorance is no argument at all.

[cosmosofinfinity]

@arktheball exists, we just know that it does. All we know is that it exists. How it came to be, nobody can say. And saying that it is "too complicated to have happened by accident" doesn't have any scientific backbone. Why couldn't it have happened by itself? Because YOU think it's too "precise"? Come on. This is the same kind of reasoning the people who believe in the "miracle" of Jesus's face being on some toast. It's too precise! God did it! It was deliberately created!

:|

[arktheball]

@cosmosofinfinity Or rather, which one, when you observe our existence as a whole makes more sense?

[arktheball]

@cosmosofinfinity Yay now that we agree that the scientific question of the beginning is satisfactorily met and that there was a beginning. What conclusion can we gather from this fact? If all things that begin have cause, and the universe began, it must have a cause. This cause, in order to avoid the infinite regress, MUST by definition be uncaused. Now the question is.. Creator or multiverse. Which one is more logical?