Goodness Without God is Good Enough: William Lane Craig vs Paul Kurtz 4/7

A flash of lightning, a crack of thunder.
It is time, the ritual will now begin.
We stand before the dark alter as the demon lord stirs.

Foul sheep drown themselves in empty lies.
We are here to render them to pieces.
The haunting winds begin to blow.
A sacrificial lamb is bestowed before the serpent.
Lucifer has awoken.

The ground shatters under his might.
Slaves of christ huddle within a church.
Their time is at a darkened end.
With a mighty blow, Satan crushes his final foes.

Satanism? Really?

At least the Christians have Bach.

A flash of lightning, a crack of thunder.
It is time, the ritual will now begin.
We stand before the dark alter as the demon lord stirs.

Foul sheep drown themselves in empty lies.
We are here to render them to pieces.
The haunting winds begin to blow.
A sacrificial lamb is bestowed before the serpent.
Lucifer has awoken.

The ground shatters under his might.
Slaves of christ huddle within a church.
Their time is at a darkened end.
With a mighty blow, Satan crushes his final foes.

we are animals, but animals with an elevated sense of awareness.

we know what its like for people to feel pain. we know what its like to be happy. we prefer being happen over sad and hurt, so morality is about maximizing happiness without sacrificing justice (like killing an innocent person to please the wild crowd)
once god is unquestionable, what happens when a priest tells uneducated soldiers to kill moslems far away.
they arent to question it.

morality is about peoples feelings, not Gods

so how do you explain the fact that I'm willing to die for someone I love, to end my life and not be around to be thanked?

because the existence of your loved one is more important than your own. plain and simple. i hope that wasn't intended to be a tricky question.

you are confirming my point. you are acting to increase happiness. you know that death is undesirable so you take your life to spare another.

im guessing you wouldn't take a bullet for a cactus. probably because the cactus would have no feelings of gratitude or meaningfulness.

where's the trick?

No trick. It just doesnt make sense to me
We as humans are survivors. We're here because we have survived, and we're selfish in that sense. I'd avoid pain at all cost, I'd avoid a life threatening situation if I can, but the fact that I'd be willing to self-sacrifice makes me unique in the animal kingdom.
All kinds of animals are willing to protect their family, but none of them would die for each other

two things:
one: we are self-sacrificial for several reasons. First off, we have a heightened sense of empathy that we've accumulated through a conscience unmatched in nature. we will die for others so they wont feel pain, and we do that as a conscious decision.
two: some animals do behave self-sacrificially, such as prairie dogs who expose themselves with a loud cry to warn others of a predator.

and what does self-sacrifice prove if anything? that there's a loving god who like self-sacrifice?

"morality is about maximizing happiness without sacrificing justice" So it not all about happiness. Its also about justice! Why is stealing wrong, even if nobody, even the owner, takes notice of it? Because its unjust! Morality is about justice, happiness is merely a by-product of justice.

But in the animal kingdom (i.e. the atheistic world), there is no justice. Is it unjust, if a hawk kills a fish? No! And thats the problem with atheism.