Riz Khan - Turkey and Islam - 01 July 08 - Part 2

i hate the fact that anything islamic i.e. wearing the headscarf, segregation of the sexes, etc is always said to go against the constitutional law. well turkey is a muslim country and that constitution is against their religion. It seems most turkeys prefer the constitutional law over their religion. wake up turkey! ataturk is no hero of islam. u are born as muslim so replace ur constitutional laws with islamic ones or at least laws that allow everyone liberty 2 practice religion as they choose

Roughly towards the end of the Ottoman Empire'd demise 1890-1922 the Empire began to become more and more nationalistic, persecuted Christians due to political decisions by the Sultan and later by Talaat, Enver and jamal to immerse all the Turkic people from Central Asia...

Symptons and features of secularity? Explain. Secularism is a WESTERN (foreign) concept. This is why many terminology (words) have been borrowed from the West via the Italians or French. The separation between Mosque and State - in this case - was impossible because the Ottomans were a theocratic state with monarchical ties.

Ppl from other religions had the same rights as Muslims in the Ottoman Empire.
Religion would NOT interfere with political decisions. Just because the Ottoman Empire was not a democracy.

All muslim Empires had egalitarian rights with other religous people. However, there were limitations; that is to say: Christians and Jews were second-class citizens, paid taxes and many were incorporated into the Janissaries whether willingly or unwillingly due to financial hardships or because they were forcibly recruited. How couldn't religion play a part in the Ottoman Empire? It was a theocratic state with monarchical lines? This means they were governed by Allah and the Q'uran.

NO!
Kemalism and ülküculuk is NOT the same.
I am not an islamist.
if ur not too retarted , Ruhumuz Islam Bedenimiz Türk.
And for your information i am a part of the the ulkucuocaklar here in Belgium.
I will not comment at you again 'cause ur ignorant. Telling Kemalists are the same as Ulkuculer. And u telling AKP is a kemalist party hahahhaha

AKP isn't a kemalist party and I never said that .. I said most people who vote akp are KEMALIST and MUSLIM at the same time .. you're the one being ignorant go talk bad about Ataturk in your ocak lol .. let's see what those guys say .. or you Turks in belgium are really trippin

ulkucu is the same as Kemalist .. mhp for example is ulkucu .. is an nationalist islamic party .. But their all kemalist .. even though you aren't on the same lines with some thing ataturk did or said ..

you can't deny without Ataturk .. you had no country to be a ulkucu/nationalist of ..

Without Ataturk , let alone being Turk you probably where Orthodox christian

Don't u think i know that.
But also without the ottomans there wouldn't be a Turkish state. We would still be a nomadic tribe who lived in central-asia

LOL do you even read what you type ? DO you want to live a nomadic life style again ? (we build pyramids before we where nomads in china)

Without the Ottomans There wouldn't be a Turkic state in Anatolia, which also is the strongest most devolped and advanced Turkic state.

And yes there still would be Turks we are 250 million . but we would be 70 million lighter and the poorest people in the world and our most developed country would be azerbejcan that has been devided and used by the rus