Obama and McCain flip-flop on FISA

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[MonkeyFinger23]

Both Obama and McCain are voting for this? So neither candidate is willing to protect the constitution and the American people's rights. I won't vote for either of these yahoos...

[Rickdeckard2020]

About a week ago it was bending over for AIPAC, now this, Obama is gettig lamer by the day

I wonder what's Obama's stance on Kucinich's articles of Impeachment for Bush?

[DonkeyofHeaven]

Xenu you are probably confusing Reich with Carl Jung who had an interest in the phenomenon of flying saucers from the psychological point of view and wrote a small book called "Flying Saucers, Things Seen in the Sky". But Jung's work was not so much about confirming flying saucers as a historical event, he remained agnostic on that, but he presented his view that flying saucers could be interpeted as a phenomenon of psychology where people see things in the sky at times of social instability.

[Xenu]

Uh... so Wilhelm Reich had nothing to do with extraterrestrial, huh? Ok, if you say so. If being oblivious to obvious facts is your thing then by all means. Napoleon started out as a wannabe fascist, huh? And you should be taken seriously why, orgone-boy?

[DonkeyofHeaven]

Of course Napoleon and Ghengis Khan were not fascists because they were dictators. Napoleon started out as a wanna-be fascist but when he crowned himself Emperor he left all pretense of democracy behind. Fascism of the Nazi or the Communist or the Republican variety depend on the illusion of democracy.

[DonkeyofHeaven]

Reich had nothing to do with "apace aliens" and you saying that he did shows you are a fool. As far as I can tell forom our posts you don't know much about fascism except what you see in the Hollywood movies.

[DonkeyofHeaven]

Your information on Reich is typically distorted. I guess you were in favor of firing Surgeon General Dr. Jocelyn Elders because she said in 1994 that masturbation is normal and healthy. That's all Reich was saying 60 years earlier. And the orgone box had nothing to do with "psychic power" or "sperm" which you say only to discredit him with lies. Get your facts straight and you might have something to say about fascism.

[Xenu]

So, no, a reductionist psychoanalyst like Wilhelm Reich (much less a space alien/sex-obsessed paranoid like Reich) does not know more about fascism than I do. S.J. Woolf edited a good book by various scholars in the 60s. Might be a good place to start.

[Xenu]

Uh... Wilhelm Reich was not a scholar. He was a guy thrown in prison for selling boxes for measure the psychic power of your sperm & who thought kids should be allowed to "Explore their sexuality" in order to be psychically developed enough to battle the space alien invasion which he was sure was coming. Mention his name to a professional. It's a joke. I am aware the term 'red fascism,' like 'Islamofascism' is a common one. It's also quite meaningless.

[DonkeyofHeaven]

Ha Ha you probably think I made it up. how old are you? I'm nearly 60 and the term "red fascism" has been around a while. I first read it in a bok by Whilm Reich titled "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" written in 1933. He was a German who had to leave Germany because the Nazis were after him. He knew more about fascism from first hand experience with boty Nazis and communists than you will ever know. Fascism definitely comes in the Red version.

[Xenu]

Uh.. I hate to break it to you but 'red fascism' is a contradiction in terms. Outside of vulgar propaghanda it has no meaning. And that's quite obvious if you look at the societies in question.

[DonkeyofHeaven]

"Protecting the country" is not the "first cause" it is the fourth out of six, after ensuring domestic tranquility and before promoting the general welfare.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."