A federal judge has ordered the military to immediately stop enforcing the policy 'don't ask, don't tell', which bans openly gay troops from serving in the military. (Oct. 13)
i chose christianity as my target to point out that someone's "beliefs and practices" should NOT be a factor so long as it does not hinder thier ability to do the job. homosexuality does not hinder the homo's abilities. bigotry hinders the bigot's ability. i didn't mean to actually suggest that christians should not be allowed to expouse their beliefs. essentially "unit coheasion" is a buzz word for widespread bigotry that could go both ways.
@83niteowl Its not about religion. Its about a lifestyle. Websters definition of religion is: "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects." It doesn't say anything about a lifestyle there. No matter what you say the two are different. It seems to me that you hate Christians and think that we are the result of all the problems of society.
how many people feel uneasy around christians. i guess religion should become a don't ask, don't tell issue. who you worship is your bussiness, so long as you don't open express you affiliation. keep your religion a secret. after all, christianity is a choice.
this line of reasoning could be extended to near everything. keep everything about you a secret, a lie so as not to unease those in your unit.
@wtbofnc stfu moron. u have no fucking clue what you're talking about. No one is looking for more rights than anyone else and if they are they wont get them. ignorant piece of shit. jump off a tall building
@NorthernBloodLust Did you not read my full comment. If someone not changing their socks has an effect on unit cohesion then how much more does a way of living effect unit cohesion? That is the point that I was making. You said that one might feel uncomfortable in the presence of a gay person. Imagine if that feeling of unease emerged in battle. You would be killed. The military can not allow for that because human life is precious and they do not want to unnecessarily waste them.
An openly gay soldier destroying the cohesion of a unit? How? I know that some might feel uncomfortable in the presence of a gay person, but why play *BLAME THE GAYS*? It's "their fault" if they're hated/harassed/attacked? Bullshit. It's the morons who think it's okay to do that we should be worried about.
Again, if a gay soldier does their job *well*, and their team benefits - what's the problem?
Canada allows gays to openly serve, and so far as I know - we've had no 'problems'.
@NorthernBloodLust That doesn't make sense at all. Gen. Petraeus said that they completely destroy unit cohesion. As an example he said that if one soldier does not change his socks once then it will have a negative affect on the whole unit. If that is just with changing socks then how much would it be for a gay in the military? Why is it that we have to double over backwards for less then %2 of our population that carries %80 of our STD cases?
You know Thomas Jefferson said that the way that the U.S. government was set up it could easily be an oligarchy. He named the courts as being the minority that would rule the majority. We revolted against a king 3000 miles away and then subjected ourselves to these kind of idiots that are constantly accepting bribes and all that. Something tells me that the founding fathers did not have this in mind when they set up the U.S. government.
@wtbofnc Because this has happened to businesses in States that protect the employment and have anti-discrimination policies that protect gay Americans..
How will gays have special privileges in terms of promotion?
Gay adopted holidays?
I dont want separate bathrooms.. I'm openly gay and serving in the AirForce now. My coworkers know I'm gay.. I use the same restrooms still. There is no issue there.
Do you know a gay person? Find one, get to know them, then form an opinion, please.
@billyslo87
i chose christianity as my target to point out that someone's "beliefs and practices" should NOT be a factor so long as it does not hinder thier ability to do the job. homosexuality does not hinder the homo's abilities. bigotry hinders the bigot's ability. i didn't mean to actually suggest that christians should not be allowed to expouse their beliefs. essentially "unit coheasion" is a buzz word for widespread bigotry that could go both ways.
83niteowl 1 year ago
@83niteowl Its not about religion. Its about a lifestyle. Websters definition of religion is: "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects." It doesn't say anything about a lifestyle there. No matter what you say the two are different. It seems to me that you hate Christians and think that we are the result of all the problems of society.
billyslo87 1 year ago
@billyslo87
how many people feel uneasy around christians. i guess religion should become a don't ask, don't tell issue. who you worship is your bussiness, so long as you don't open express you affiliation. keep your religion a secret. after all, christianity is a choice.
this line of reasoning could be extended to near everything. keep everything about you a secret, a lie so as not to unease those in your unit.
83niteowl 1 year ago
@wtbofnc stfu moron. u have no fucking clue what you're talking about. No one is looking for more rights than anyone else and if they are they wont get them. ignorant piece of shit. jump off a tall building
drunkenboxer1985 1 year ago
@NorthernBloodLust Did you not read my full comment. If someone not changing their socks has an effect on unit cohesion then how much more does a way of living effect unit cohesion? That is the point that I was making. You said that one might feel uncomfortable in the presence of a gay person. Imagine if that feeling of unease emerged in battle. You would be killed. The military can not allow for that because human life is precious and they do not want to unnecessarily waste them.
billyslo87 1 year ago
@billyslo87
An openly gay soldier destroying the cohesion of a unit? How? I know that some might feel uncomfortable in the presence of a gay person, but why play *BLAME THE GAYS*? It's "their fault" if they're hated/harassed/attacked? Bullshit. It's the morons who think it's okay to do that we should be worried about.
Again, if a gay soldier does their job *well*, and their team benefits - what's the problem?
Canada allows gays to openly serve, and so far as I know - we've had no 'problems'.
NorthernBloodLust 1 year ago
@wtbofnc
Obvious troll.
NorthernBloodLust 1 year ago
@NorthernBloodLust That doesn't make sense at all. Gen. Petraeus said that they completely destroy unit cohesion. As an example he said that if one soldier does not change his socks once then it will have a negative affect on the whole unit. If that is just with changing socks then how much would it be for a gay in the military? Why is it that we have to double over backwards for less then %2 of our population that carries %80 of our STD cases?
billyslo87 1 year ago
You know Thomas Jefferson said that the way that the U.S. government was set up it could easily be an oligarchy. He named the courts as being the minority that would rule the majority. We revolted against a king 3000 miles away and then subjected ourselves to these kind of idiots that are constantly accepting bribes and all that. Something tells me that the founding fathers did not have this in mind when they set up the U.S. government.
billyslo87 1 year ago
@wtbofnc Because this has happened to businesses in States that protect the employment and have anti-discrimination policies that protect gay Americans..
How will gays have special privileges in terms of promotion?
Gay adopted holidays?
I dont want separate bathrooms.. I'm openly gay and serving in the AirForce now. My coworkers know I'm gay.. I use the same restrooms still. There is no issue there.
Do you know a gay person? Find one, get to know them, then form an opinion, please.
dqueek 1 year ago