@kailabreece There is no need for compulsory education - all you need is financial support for education of the poor. Children want to learn, are happy when they go the first time to school. It is the compulsion which kills the natural wish to learn.
@ISchmelzer If you are a child in a home of "non-intellectuals", what do you think your chances are of being exposed to various levels of thought and vocations? I would say, not much. Compulsory education lays out a "foundation" to begin with and exposes young minds and from there, the child should be allowed to branch out and continue as they pursue higher levels of ed and specialization. Just my opinion. :) Glad to share. I think it's safe to say we disagree... lol.
@aikimoe I disagree friend. Compulosry ed is not synonymous with "mandatory" it merely means required & essential... it is an educational foundation to work from. Be well.
@kailabreece "Compulsory" does not mean "public." "Compulsory" means "mandatory" or "involuntary." This is why I assumed you, supporting compulsory public education, opposed other means. I also support public tax dollars being used for schooling, but I don't believe in mandatory schooling, as that is a totalitarian approach.
@kailabreece Of course it is experimental. But the question "what is interesting for you" stands from the start for them. Other kids don't bother - they know they have to go to school, no reason to care. They have never learned to find out what is interesting for them. Except outside the school. Its not awakening mind, but closing it. That's what we have had to learn in school - that means, boring. In arts and music is not that dangerous - you only learn to hate the music your teacher likes.
@ISchmelzer Not efficient? I cant imagine the concept of "unschooling" being efficient. The entire concept is based on the hope kids, under their own accord, show interest in things they dont know exist - that to me is inefficient. There certainly r exceptions but the average child when asked what there favorite class is, it's lunch, gym, music & art - very few will mention math, science & literature. It takes compulsory ed to awaken minds - then college is a students chance for self-direction.
@kailabreece Its not that forced learning is impossible. Its simply not efficient. I have used two weeks during vacations to read the new books of the next year, that's enough for (ok, above average) kids to learn all (except languages) one can teach in a compulsory way during a year.
Then, if the thing itself is interesting enough, one may like it even if it is compulsory. And if you like it, you may even learn something through compulsory teaching.
@ISchmelzer I can c why u'd disagree, but my experience with the poor has been different. Maybe u r right though, however, all of these statements r very generalized - assuming ALL those forced 2 learn wont and cant. Well, things that I am certain of r: 1) education needs reforming & 2) I enjoyed MY "compulsory" experience. My degrees were in political science/philosophy/intergovernmental relations. I love learning! Compulosry is not synonymous with torture it merely means required & essential.
@kailabreece I disagree about the poor. They usually know that education is useful for their children. I have seen a lot of children interested in going to school in the third world, bying things for school even with their own money. There are only a few not interested in learning, and these few will not learn even compulsory.
But if children are forced to learn, they not only loose interest and don't learn themself, they also start to disturb others, and the overall quality decreases.
@ISchmelzer I disagree. Thanks for sharing friend.
kailabreece 4 months ago
@kailabreece There is no need for compulsory education - all you need is financial support for education of the poor. Children want to learn, are happy when they go the first time to school. It is the compulsion which kills the natural wish to learn.
ISchmelzer 4 months ago
@ISchmelzer If you are a child in a home of "non-intellectuals", what do you think your chances are of being exposed to various levels of thought and vocations? I would say, not much. Compulsory education lays out a "foundation" to begin with and exposes young minds and from there, the child should be allowed to branch out and continue as they pursue higher levels of ed and specialization. Just my opinion. :) Glad to share. I think it's safe to say we disagree... lol.
kailabreece 4 months ago
@aikimoe I disagree friend. Compulosry ed is not synonymous with "mandatory" it merely means required & essential... it is an educational foundation to work from. Be well.
kailabreece 4 months ago
@kailabreece "Compulsory" does not mean "public." "Compulsory" means "mandatory" or "involuntary." This is why I assumed you, supporting compulsory public education, opposed other means. I also support public tax dollars being used for schooling, but I don't believe in mandatory schooling, as that is a totalitarian approach.
aikimoe 4 months ago
@kailabreece Of course it is experimental. But the question "what is interesting for you" stands from the start for them. Other kids don't bother - they know they have to go to school, no reason to care. They have never learned to find out what is interesting for them. Except outside the school. Its not awakening mind, but closing it. That's what we have had to learn in school - that means, boring. In arts and music is not that dangerous - you only learn to hate the music your teacher likes.
ISchmelzer 4 months ago
@ISchmelzer Not efficient? I cant imagine the concept of "unschooling" being efficient. The entire concept is based on the hope kids, under their own accord, show interest in things they dont know exist - that to me is inefficient. There certainly r exceptions but the average child when asked what there favorite class is, it's lunch, gym, music & art - very few will mention math, science & literature. It takes compulsory ed to awaken minds - then college is a students chance for self-direction.
kailabreece 4 months ago
@kailabreece Its not that forced learning is impossible. Its simply not efficient. I have used two weeks during vacations to read the new books of the next year, that's enough for (ok, above average) kids to learn all (except languages) one can teach in a compulsory way during a year.
Then, if the thing itself is interesting enough, one may like it even if it is compulsory. And if you like it, you may even learn something through compulsory teaching.
ISchmelzer 4 months ago
@ISchmelzer I can c why u'd disagree, but my experience with the poor has been different. Maybe u r right though, however, all of these statements r very generalized - assuming ALL those forced 2 learn wont and cant. Well, things that I am certain of r: 1) education needs reforming & 2) I enjoyed MY "compulsory" experience. My degrees were in political science/philosophy/intergovernmental relations. I love learning! Compulosry is not synonymous with torture it merely means required & essential.
kailabreece 4 months ago
@kailabreece I disagree about the poor. They usually know that education is useful for their children. I have seen a lot of children interested in going to school in the third world, bying things for school even with their own money. There are only a few not interested in learning, and these few will not learn even compulsory.
But if children are forced to learn, they not only loose interest and don't learn themself, they also start to disturb others, and the overall quality decreases.
ISchmelzer 4 months ago