Who Created God?

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Who created God? Randall Niles sets forth the Divine Exception to the Law of Causation.

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[CL3WL3SS]

It's an infinite argument in each direction.  Christians believe than God has always been and always will be. We are too simple minded to understand that. Not a good argument, but neither is the big bang theory. Where did the star come from that created the big bang? All the explanations for evolution grab from something already in existence.

[TheHonestTheist]

@CL3WL3SS As for the "star" that created the big bang, there is no star, not does the BBT propose a star that created the big bang, we don't know if anything existed prior to the bang and the chances are, nothing did. Everything, including space, time, energy and matter were created in the bang, so how could a star (being matter) have existed before the big bang? (Before the creation of matter). I don't think you understand the BBT so would be careful about commenting on it.

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

if you believe in the personal god your a fool

[TheHonestTheist]

@FIGHTFANNERD3 "The fool says in his heart 'There is no God'"



[TheDeadlyRook]

@TheHonestTheist I say, I AM god. disprove me.

[TheHonestTheist]

@TheDeadlyRook What's the point? We both know you're not, so why waste time trying to prove the obvious?

[DavidMTRutten]

I have to admit though how you jump from "I refer to that uncaused cause as 'God'" to "Jesus Christ is the Lord our Saviour and died for our sins" is quite beyond me.

[1tabligh]

@gromby His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.

If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.

[1tabligh]

@gromby In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

Say: "Invoke God, or invoke the Most Gracious:

by whichever name you invoke Him,

He is always the One -- for His are all the attributes of perfection."

The Quran 17:110

[1tabligh]

@gromby Call Him by whatever name you like (Allah, Jehovah, God, Merciful, Bhagwan etc), as long as the word is not contaminated, (does not conjure up a mental picture) Ex, if We say Muhammad, We conjure up a mental picture of an arab, who lived in mecka 1356 years ago .. or something like that, therefore Muhammad is not God, why? because we conjure up something in the mind. Similarly any words like Jesus (a jew, Bethlehem, .. AD), Budha etc or any creation are NOT to be used for God.

[gromby]

@1tabligh So, the universe must have been caused, I will agree. You say it was caused by something called god. What is a god, and how do we know anything about it?

[1tabligh]

@gromby The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.

Then we have to deny the existence of the universe. We would also have to deny ourselves because we are a part of the universe.

[gromby]

Who says we cannot have an infinite regress? I understand it seems to be unappealing to human ways of thinking but that does not determine reality. The big bang is a veil beyond which we know nothing. How can we say what is possible beyond it? Why would we assume reality is finite? Probably because we want it to be comprehensible.

[gromby]

Our universe has a beginning and must have been caused. You decide to attribute the causation of the universe to something you call "god". Where did that word come from? What does it mean? Nothing has been explained by inserting this word.

[chinziyee]

we are future god due to we r not perfect yet... still hv flaws... God is perfect already. God & us are the same, God & us together create the world, create the universe.

[IamSpydaMic]

@TheHonestTheist What you meant to say was that you both know he isn't beyond any reasonable doubt, but proving it definitively is an entirely different matter and most probably an impossibility. Change your name to TheAlmostHonestTheist.

[MrButerfinger]

@TheHonestTheist How do you know he is not a higher power beyond you and me? How do you know if he is even a God among Gods?