Jung's Archetypes and Dawkins' Memes

Differences, similarities?

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[Phavonic]

I have to say, I wasn't expecting this discourse to be a good is it was. I lost faith in the interpretations of Jung when the New-Age got hold of him, and would have almost certainly thought the throng would have memes and archetypes as the same thing (but you made a good distinction from collective to personal).

When people do think they are the same thing I'm sure they are getting mixed up with something like psychic powers, or maybe Sheldrake's morphogenetic field theory.

[lollygaggerable]

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[sanmattia]

guapo

[mhazani]

Some of the comments here are very to the point - I especially give the "6 presentation idea" a try before posting another video; you make some interesting points, but they get lost in a wash of brainstorming. Take a cue from Jung himself - clear, convincing and concise in every interview/lecture he did. (And you don't have to BE Jung in order to adopt his teaching manners:)

One final note - the vowel in the name "Jung" is pronounced like the "you" in "youth", not the "you" in "young".

[selftranscendenceins]

I would view the Meme as closer to the complexes of the Personal Unconscious.

The Archetypes of the collective unconscious would need to exists initially as a base for the existence of Memes.

[brav0wing]

A meme can happen between two separate individuals: person A mimcs the information from person B!

Such thing cannot happen unless as a species we share a common psyche. Since consciousness is based on separation and direct thinking, that common psyche which allows a information to be copied must have an unconscious reality otherwise the information would not be recognised (unconsciously) in ordered to be copied!

[immaculateboy]

wow. you're wicked cute.

[JohnColt]

Dawkins does not say that memes are necessarily unaffected by our conscious choices or that culture is entirely out of our control. Science, for example, is a memetic organism built of notions that have been consciously selected for their merit.

Elements of the psyche are instinctive beauty and attraction are fundamentally so but memes are cultural. This is perfectly naturalistic yet not dualistic. Memes are to the psyche as websites are to the worldwide web.

[creationofself]

Very well put.