Eastern Orthodoxy Not Refuted 2

Addressing more points raised by drakeshelton in his videos "Eastern Orthodoxy Refuted."

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[ic2705]

Wow. Where to start. Forgive me because I consider you a brother in Christ, but you sound like a throughly indoctrinated young man who has not truly ventured out of your circle to confirm what your teachers have told you. Calvin, Jewel, Luther, and Bucer all drew heavily from Augustine but they all saw themselves as Nicene Christians who were just as entrenched in the fathers as any Orthodox monk. You act like Gnostics who have some hidden knowledge. The Fathers are there for all to read.

[davidpwithun]

@ic2705 Wow. You don't know me. Perhaps you should be less judgmental and more willing to engage in a conversation with mutual respect?

It doesn't matter how Calvin, Luther, etc. saw themselves; it matters what they really were. And they were a departure from the Church Fathers and from Nicene Orthodoxy. Luther reintroduced Marcionism; Calvin reintroduced Gnosticism. And, yes, both drew heavily from Augustine -- and that is precisely the problem. Augustine is a single dissenting voice.

[IoanIlieMinaGheorghe]

John 6:54 refutes protestantism since it shows Protestantism has renounced food for eternal life , Holy Eucharist, available in Eastern Orthodox Church for almost 2000 years now.

[infowolf1]

atonement, see Vladimir Moss The Mystery of Redemption online for patristic support of this, against the innovation of total rejection of it, begun mostly by ROCOR Met. Anthony Khrapovitsky who almost went on a heresy trial, but escaped this by agreeing to stop teaching this and his alternate theory moral redemption (he pretended to have discovered as new insight, but Abelard invented this). Still more patristic and later sources in yahoo egroup substitutionary_atonement_in_o­rthodoxy files.

[infowolf1]

excellent work, however the penal substitutionary atonement thing IS part of the ancient faith, as to be found buried here and there as a taken for granted point, on which hinge turns all the rest of the points about the Redemption, Christus Victor, etc. For instance, Wikipedia says that St. John Cassian preached theosis instead of atonement, but in his explanation of why various prayers are offered at certain hours, he states atonement doctrine as per Christ going on the Cross.

[XSC3]

respectfully, david, do you explain why (I get the impression) that Eastern Orthodox seem to have less of a problem with the Assyrians, Ethiopians and Copts, than with the Catholics?

[muertecivil]

Что он говорит?

[delagrazia]

indeed, good presentation. intelligent,methodical,informa­tive . I also learned a lot

[XDragasesX]

David you are a brilliant man-thank you for all your time doing these programmes....they are highly intelligent, methodical, and organised....Many Years....

[6972741595]

This is a good presentation. i wish this guy would make more Orthodox Christian videos. Well done. I learned something.