Joseph Smith's Language Problems Pt.2

An in depth examination of the language problems of the scriptures and doctrines of Mormon founder Joseph Smith. Presented by professional linguist and educator, Richard Packham at the 2009 Exmormon Foundation Conference. For more info please go to: http://home.teleport.com/~packham/

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[bedsheetsblue]

I love the snot snorter in the audience.

[ThreeX]

@hammerogod

LOL !

[hammerogod]

OOPS! ... 5 more Mormons almost heard the truth.

[ExmormonFoundation]

@nextluther12

No, this an issue of evidence for even you as a believer do not "know" that a god exists, you only believe such to be the case, that's why you exercise what you call faith. If the dead did indeed walk as the account of Matthew so clearly shows then there would simply be many, many extra records of such an event taking place. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[nextluther12]

@ExmormonFoundation This is very true. I don't know about the tea part. However, this is a problem for the Atheist not the Christian. Right. The real problem is does God exist. If He does then resurections are not a problem--in principle.

[ExmormonFoundation]

@nextluther12

It's very simple. If the dead came alive, walked around and had tea with their loved ones, people are going to notice. If it happened then, then why not today? Was it more magical then? Did the sun set in a different way in days of yore? Your Bible in the account of Matthew states quite clearly that the DEAD WALKED AGAIN! There's nothing to untangle. It's utter nonsense.

[nextluther12]

@ExmormonFoundation How do I begin to untangle this? First the comparison between something like that happing to day and it happening back then is shaky at best. Next, your charter of zombies is ironies. These people were not walking around trying to eat brains. But again, clean intellectual tools (like accurately representing your opponent) are not the trademark of the atheist. The real problem is Atheism vs. Theism. Running out of room again. I have much more to say.

[ExmormonFoundation]

@nextluther12

Caesar was not recording the supposed "greatest story ever told." It's very simple, if the dead suddenly started walking around Jerusalem or anywhere else, it would be recorded by many, many people, including non-interested, non-biased third parties. Just think of such an event taking place today. Are you honestly suggesting that no one else would record such a fantastic event? It's like I tell the Mormons, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's that simple.

[nextluther12]

@ExmormonFoundation Hey, great question. First not all evidence is evaluated in the same way. This is called “The Crackers in the Pantry Fallacy.” It was coined by Greg Bahnsen. Have you heard the debate between Bahnsen and Stine? The way you test quasars and the way you test philosophical presuppositions are not going to be the same. Also, just because one person records it does not make it unverified. Did you know that many of the wars of Cesar were only recorded by him. Running out of room!!!

[ExmormonFoundation]

@nextluther12

Well I would say evidence which counters what we know about reality, history, science, biology, archeology, geology anthropology, physics, etc. For example, in Matthew 27 we find an account of an actual Zombie Apocalypse taking place, yet no other records save for Matthew provide evidence that such an event ever took place. It would seem to me that if the dead did indeed rise and wander around that it would be rather significant and widely recorded in the historical record.