enlightnement?

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• DMT
• LSD

[phoboskitty]

@TheGiantRobot i think they were real beings i got that impression, but how they actually look i would image is based on my own psychology, it was my first saliva trip and i have not been able to recreated it,as i did not know the concentration of the Saliva but i have tried it more since then and i am only partially slipping into that realm, i will get pure salvinorum at some point and try it, but i usually like to make non concentrated elixirs salvia is a very special and sacred healing plant

[phoboskitty]

@TheGiantRobot like i said i have a shamanic view so these plants are justas natural and doing it naturally can if you choose involve the plants, we evolved side by side with them they have always been part of our world as have we (well at least for the last 200,000 yrs or so) the very birth of human spirituality is very likely the result of the consumption of these plants,check out the neuropsychological theory i think it is called about the origins of the cave art found in Europe and africa

[TheGiantRobot]

@phoboskitty

Pretty wild stuff. I hear that and wonder if the sirens were real or symbolic.

As for what experiences I've had - that's a big topic. Things like seeing into people. Seeing spirits. Leaving my body. More importantly experiencing higher things - yes, beyond perception. Like what people call heaven. Knowing. That's impossible to convey because it's a higher facility than the brain. And, right, you can't control it. It's higher. It happens from surrender.

[phoboskitty]

@TheGiantRobot beyond perception? i think i know what you mean, but i tend to think of it more as beyond what you believe your ability to perceive is... i have had some strange Salvia experiences where i was no longer in my physical body on this physical plane ( there were these 3 siren chicks there too with swords?) the key is integrating what you have seen in an altered state in the "real" world, sometimes this can take time, this is part of the process

[TheGiantRobot]

@phoboskitty

That's an interesting theory I haven't heard. To whatever degree it may be true, it reinforces my view of drugs. Drugs damage one's ability to do things naturally. I've always been wary of them for that reason, even beyond the stress they put on your filters.

I may be lucky, but I'm more inclined to believe I made some right choices. I don't think what I've experienced is out of the reach of others, but I also know it isn't easy for most of us - myself included.

[phoboskitty]

@TheGiantRobot Buddhist monks when they chant have studied, it shows that they fall into a theta wave state when they do this, this is the dream state, there brains are flooded with massive amounts of DMT ( which is what happens when you dream )

in most cases people need that extra push to get there maybe you are very very lucky...

but in the end its still a "drug" thats getting you there...

but i know that not what you mean...

LOL

[phoboskitty]

@TheGiantRobot what experiences? there are some people that have such experience with out assistance, but its rare and not often repeatable, but i bet if you do experience these things you might be producing higher amounts of DMT than normal, its ironic this discussion because the most powerful psychedelic known is N-DMT and its produced by your Pineal gland, its all about the Tryptamines... the reality is that at the bio-chemical level it IS about the drugs no matter how you are getting there

[TheGiantRobot]

@phoboskitty

I see. Thanks for clarifying that. I don't mean to be dismissive, either.

You're right, reality of this world is perceptive. This is why I say perceive more easily what is real or not. What I generally would mean is how real - how transitory, how true. But in spiritual matters, I'm more thinking about real beyond perception. Maybe this is something you haven't experienced yet, I don't know. But I know that in an altered state, it's harder to tell what's happening.

[phoboskitty]

@TheGiantRobot i have a shamanic world view so spirits of plants and other things are of particular importance too me, shamanisim is intrinsically tied to the use of psychedelic drugs and always has been, so that is the path i choose, i also point out in the video that even many Non-drug ways for enlightenment have at there root entheogenic drugs at there root Yoga for instance

[phoboskitty]

@TheGiantRobot not trying to be dismissive sorry if it came off that way, but the very question of what you experience is real or not, was telling thats all, reality is pretty subjective on or off drugs,if you are an experienced tripper wondering if something is real or not is not an issue you know its real just your brain has been returned to experience reality in a different way,it just seemed to me that you were assuming its NOT real. we all seek different things