Video response: The Zeitgeist Movement: Passive Resistance
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@metazoam Actually the powers that be, pay people to show up. That's the point. People don't show up because they're charismatic and awesome, they show up because they need to eat and they don't want to lose their homes. Listen, I hope you and =$ can get somewhere, but from one worker bee to another, I don't see the need in opposing TZM message of striving for a non-violent resistance when the time of physical resistance is called for.
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@metazoam I would be perfectly happy to see =$ succeed. But here and now, while corporate greed and government corruption are the rule of the land, any movement, whether TZM or =$ should work toward the same immediate goals of making as many people as possible see and understand the problem. As time moves forward and one idea gains merit over another, we can re-examine our positions. Our goals are pretty much the same. Equal access to all life's needs and world sustainability.
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Also non-violent resistance allways implies an opposing violent force - thus non-violent resistane supports violence
what you resist persists
that's why equal money is indeed the solution - because it is a transfomation within te system - using the current system - which can only be brought about by standing equal to the system and becoming the new leaders - no separation
Thanks Manuela
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I'm not quite sure you understand what passive resistance really is. If you don't like where we're heading you take responsibility for your own actions by NOT following the herd. And when the leader of the herd sends his henchmen over to force you back in line, you respectfully decline.
Gandhi's non-violent actions forced everyone (even those who blindly followed the herd) to see the British Empire for who they really were which eventually made them leave India.
While my first instinct is to debate your proposition that non-violent resistance is in fact violent, I'll save that for later. Equal Money does have merits, but it is naive to believe that it can be achieved without some level of resistance because those who run the world would like money (tokens, purchasing power, wealth, ect.) to stay just the way it is. So I ask you, does the Equal Money Movement endorse violence to achieve its goals?
ShenFromTerraTraba 6 months ago
@ShenFromTerraTraba No. When people turn to EM it'lll be from a specific situation, our current economic situation. Implementing EM emerges from the fabric of the people, it's a real-time development, not a prescribed or pre-conceptualised approach, instead it's practical & developed from day-to-day living. Because it'll occur in an organic manner, it works on human time, the way we can perceive & handle change. The current surge of violence comes from the failing capitalistic system!
metazoam 6 months ago
@metazoam Your way of ending massive inequities will come about organically without prescription or conceptualization? I disagree. The current surge of violence from the failing capitalistic system is likely to remain through whatever comes next, even if that's =$ because the powers that be want money to stay exactly as it is, and they will use force. A non-violent TZM may may be violent form the perspective of being beaten by security, but it will get noticed in a + way.
ShenFromTerraTraba 6 months ago
@ShenFromTerraTraba First, organically does not mean without structure. Second, what if the powers-that-be had a party and no one would show up? There would be no party, right. So if we start to organise ourselves, organically in a structured, democratic manner - we can bring about a new system. It is entirely up to us, we are the worker bees!
metazoam 6 months ago
Awesome video Manuela - Resistance is violence as it is created within the friction of polarities and polarization - exactly!
annabrixthomsen 6 months ago
@annabrixthomsen cool Anna, very elegantly summarised in one sentence. :)
metazoam 6 months ago