Why Twilight is not a saga.

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It's not a saga. STFU&GTFO.

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[lasaboteuse]

Of course "Twilight" isn't a saga, and I find the misuse of the word as grating as you do, but couldn't you have tried to state this in a less deathly boring way?

[ZaxfromTSdC]

@lasaboteuse I did.  In the description.

[SkeksisGirl]

I don't want to call her a protagonist either since her thought process shows that she's shallow, self absorbed, bitchy and full of herself. She treats her friends like shit and does everything for the one purpose of being with her stalker abusive boyfriend.

So yes, this series is not a Saga... it's crap.

Beowulf is a Saga IMO. Zax please correct me if I'm wrong here.

[totoro1591]

Have you seen the book that says on the cover "What Men Know About Women?" you open it up and it's completely totally blank inside... I saw this in Barnes & Noble. It was hilarious!!!

[tickycup]

Awesome vid. Heroes are selfless and Bella was the most annoying selfish bitch that i've read in a while. Great analysis.

[BuzzingFridge]

@Mrhaux For it is a bad fan fiction

[ZaxfromTSdC]

@YourFavoriteAries No, I will not "admit" that Bella was a hero because she was not a hero. Did Meyer try to redeem Bella? That's certainly arguable. I, for one, definitely say that she failed to do so.

[ZaxfromTSdC]

@YourFavoriteAries That's what it is, though. It's not a voluntary function. They don't choose who to imprint on. Once they've imprinted, they don't have a choice, either. So, yes, he is being forced by the imprint.

That it's not voluntary by either of them only makes it worse.

[YourFavoriteAries]

@ZaxfromTSdC This is no longer worth arguing. You will not admit that Bella was a hero at the end because you do not want her to be one. You have no other argument besides "I can decide a hero is whatever a hero is to me." Bella displays attributes at the end that are classically associated with heroes and even I (who hates Bella. Really, hates) can recognize that. SM designed it that way because she had to try and redeem the weak, annoying character Bella was in the beginning. Keyword, try.

[YourFavoriteAries]

@ZaxfromTSdC The imprint comes from Jacob. It's the mechanism inside the wolves that tells them "Hey, this person is important to you!" so they don't eff it up. His mind might be saying "I'm being forced by the imprint" but the imprint is still a part of him. And besides, you're basically saying that Jacob is being child groomed (adult grooming is actually something completely different) by the supernatural force inside him that tells him who he loves. Seriously?

[ZaxfromTSdC]

@YourFavoriteAries On the contrary, if I don't think what she did was heroic, then I can quite correctly claim that she was not a hero precisely because I do not find her to be heroic. Not to mention that everything she did was for her and her own. There was no sense of selflessness to it. If anything, I'd say that it was the Quileutes that were the ones acting heroic. They were the ones that went above and beyond to help others.

[ZaxfromTSdC]

@YourFavoriteAries INdeed, it's not his goal, nor is it hers. It's "fated" by that "imprint" bullshit. He's forced into conforming to what she wants whether either of them actually want it or not. He's not doing it because of his own feelings. He's doing it because the imprint thing is forcing him to do it, forcing him to feel that he must.

So, again, it's still child grooming, only inverted. I guess you could say it's "adult grooming." XD