Babylon 5: too late for the pebbles to vote

Babylon 5 scene of Kosh giving some wisdom

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[BrandonGK]

Kosh probably wasn't even listening. "Lady I got an interstellar with an ancient enemy to deal with, I can't worry about your season one, standalone episode problems."

[Tarvoc]

I just love the Vorlons. Everything they say has not one meaning, but at least three different meanings. Here, Kosh could be referring to the events of "The Gathering" (most probably), or he could be referring to the coming war, or he could be referring to the Vorlon philosophy of collective over individual. It is possible that it's all at once. Maybe there are even more dimensions in his words we haven't seen yet.

[Erynnsilver]

@finalcut75 Their culture is very, VERY old. It would origonally ahve been less ridged.

[Erynnsilver]

@AllTheseWorldsAreUrs That's what made this show's conclusion so great. Order and Chaos are both unsustainable in extreem. It was couch philosophy.

[abridgedfanboy]

I always kind of wondered what would happen if this took place in late season 3 and they were making these hilariously pushy requests of Ulkesh/Kosh 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Tharg: Hello, ancient psychic alien! Tell the commander of this ship to force the ship doctor not to do his job!

Ulkesh: Nope. *switches into bugzapper mode*

[bigabs18281]

@suchiuomizu wow, didnt know that, cheers, i thought that was always part of the plan.. didnt jms think the whole thing through before it even started?? wonder what made him decide to remove snclair??

[suchiuomizu]

@bigabs18281 The pilot had to be edited/redone for multiple reasons, though I'm not sure exactly when it happened. One big example of the need: The original pilot referred to Sinclair as the last commander of Babylon 5, since the idea to replace him with Sheridan was made midway into Season 1 and was not part of the original plan.

[Cafeeine]

@AllTheseWorldsAreUrs Its been a while since I watched B5, but I don't think thats accurate. The shadows were more anarchistic, and if they didn't appear to be such a hive mind, I'd say individualistic in their philosophy. They were the opposite extreme from democracy from the Vorlon's autocratic pole.

[AllTheseWorldsAreUrs]

@Tarvoc I find your admiration of the Vorlons a little unjustified. Cool Kosh was a special Vorlon, he was open to reason and change. He knew that Vorlon/Shadows cycle of perpetual wars had to end. The new Kosh was a normal Vorlon, intolerant, dictatorial and unreasonable.

The Shadows were actually far more democratic than the Vorlons.

[Wolfen443]

@Tarvoc, I always found his character full of mistery. When he was killed by the Shadows the New Embassador came in with a new, more aggresive and dangerous agenda.

[bigabs18281]

@Vistico93 oh wow ok, so was that spec edition released a lot later? as in, after season 3? so what it was kosh talking to himself?? either way it was all unknown to me i watched all of B5 years after it came out, then when i went for my second viewing of the series (a year later) i just rented the only copy of The Gathering that i could find, must have been the sp ed i suppose... Cheers btw :)

[Vistico93]

@Bfdidc That has been a beef of mine as well. I suppose realistically it is because the show was still fairly new and figuring itself out, giving us this inconsistency in his behavior. In universe, the other ambassadors may have had an obligation to speak to these people, who were unknown to them, in an effort to size them up for their actual/potential value. As for Kosh, I just want to believe that he happened to be flowing through the hallway and these jerks just wouldn't stop talking to him.