@joyclean have you ever stood face to face with wild wolves? i have. met two grey wolves in a field one time early in the morning in ontario. they did not at all walk together like you see in dogs. roaming dogs are clumsy and all over the place. the wolves moved together in perfect position. they stopped and watched me. the trees were a bit of a distance from them. when i looked away to the south and looked back, they were gone. my respect to them, and this i will never forget.
@joyclean now i just saw the movie "the grey." an oil drilling team of men survive a plane crash in alaska and are hunted by wolves. the movie is a great disservice to wolves. i admire wolves more than man in certain respects. wolves do not attack men. if it happens, it's very rare. wolves have their own community, social greetings, ranking, and even morality. they are quite smart and only take what they need. ha, maybe a bit of the misanthrope coming out of me here. rand had it, too.
@joyclean finishing off a pear and a glass of drink. sleep time again. i think there's even thinking in sleep--much much more than there may seem to be to certain people. the ideas that people surface with from sleep, can be amazing...even truly effect the way humanity lives. well, think of certain inventors who admit they owe it to that time when their free will, normal beta waves, reason...all go to hell between the sheets in their beds.// anyway, you are definitely a thinker, joy.
@joyclean in rand's world, i do not deserve to be loved. she would objectively dismiss me as a vile & invalid consciousness; a vicious, irrational collectivist, etc. ha, god, she might as well shoot me in the back of the head, quickly bury me; but, funny, because i admire her as a person & a thinker. in other words, i don't agree with all of her philosophy--she did vocally dismiss anyone who only agrees with some of what she says, and therefore they do not deserve the title Objectivist
@joyclean now mind you, if you should get scratched in this little fantasy, i would not at all mock you. i'm just trying to say rand may not be what you think she is. actually, i find your way of thinking to be the better road to follow. also, you have no problem with talking to me...even wishing me and my family well on special occasions. trust me, if rand knew me as you do, she would have no regard for me at all. she would blow me out faster than i can get one out through my shorts.
@joyclean just saw "the hunter," a movie with defoe in it, also based on a novel. quite good. ha, these little hunters of the truth who are the truth (my words). actually, it's not you who will have argument with rand if you were to meet and converse with her. kind of reminds me of a kid i knew decades ago who tried to pick up a seemingly cute (half wild, actually) cat to hug & had a very bad result. it's just your words...like, say, rand is post modern. also, your view on language.
@vinnynumbnuts ok, my mistake. it was mike wallace. but i remembered correctly in that rand did emphatically say "very few people are worthy of love. now, to be fair, she did say it is open for them to change, but still very dismal in my view. she lived in a dark world there with that thought, no? actually, i think she fails to see that love given can help bring another to change and eventually deserve it more. i have seen and done this...even to a dog. i'm being objective here
@joyclean ha, on donahue, rand actually said most people do not deserve to be loved. that's what i heard. gonna go back to make sure. if so, pretty dismal words there, no? i'm glad i'm not in that frame of mind. i want to be santa claus at the mall (not just to the kids) when i get older! my goodness. you see the difference in what i was trying to say about between being an objectivist vs being a randist?
@joyclean have you ever stood face to face with wild wolves? i have. met two grey wolves in a field one time early in the morning in ontario. they did not at all walk together like you see in dogs. roaming dogs are clumsy and all over the place. the wolves moved together in perfect position. they stopped and watched me. the trees were a bit of a distance from them. when i looked away to the south and looked back, they were gone. my respect to them, and this i will never forget.
vinnynumbnuts 43 minutes ago
@joyclean now i just saw the movie "the grey." an oil drilling team of men survive a plane crash in alaska and are hunted by wolves. the movie is a great disservice to wolves. i admire wolves more than man in certain respects. wolves do not attack men. if it happens, it's very rare. wolves have their own community, social greetings, ranking, and even morality. they are quite smart and only take what they need. ha, maybe a bit of the misanthrope coming out of me here. rand had it, too.
vinnynumbnuts 3 hours ago
@joyclean finishing off a pear and a glass of drink. sleep time again. i think there's even thinking in sleep--much much more than there may seem to be to certain people. the ideas that people surface with from sleep, can be amazing...even truly effect the way humanity lives. well, think of certain inventors who admit they owe it to that time when their free will, normal beta waves, reason...all go to hell between the sheets in their beds.// anyway, you are definitely a thinker, joy.
vinnynumbnuts 1 day ago
@vinnynumbnuts-ayn says live and let
live. she's a woman. i respect women
i don't understand them, it's because i
don't compete with them. each day it's
ayn who tells me to think. i don't know
anyone else who would do that for me.
joyclean 2 days ago
@joyclean in rand's world, i do not deserve to be loved. she would objectively dismiss me as a vile & invalid consciousness; a vicious, irrational collectivist, etc. ha, god, she might as well shoot me in the back of the head, quickly bury me; but, funny, because i admire her as a person & a thinker. in other words, i don't agree with all of her philosophy--she did vocally dismiss anyone who only agrees with some of what she says, and therefore they do not deserve the title Objectivist
vinnynumbnuts 2 days ago
@joyclean now mind you, if you should get scratched in this little fantasy, i would not at all mock you. i'm just trying to say rand may not be what you think she is. actually, i find your way of thinking to be the better road to follow. also, you have no problem with talking to me...even wishing me and my family well on special occasions. trust me, if rand knew me as you do, she would have no regard for me at all. she would blow me out faster than i can get one out through my shorts.
vinnynumbnuts 2 days ago
@joyclean just saw "the hunter," a movie with defoe in it, also based on a novel. quite good. ha, these little hunters of the truth who are the truth (my words). actually, it's not you who will have argument with rand if you were to meet and converse with her. kind of reminds me of a kid i knew decades ago who tried to pick up a seemingly cute (half wild, actually) cat to hug & had a very bad result. it's just your words...like, say, rand is post modern. also, your view on language.
vinnynumbnuts 2 days ago
@vinnynumbnuts i have no argument with
ayn, where we now would be going at it. i
object to peikoff calling her objectivism a
closed system making any attached truth
impossible. the more powerful his vision
of a closed system becomes---the more
powerless the reader feels. truth after all
becomes suspect--objectivism's truth as
ayn's, cannot vouch for its own truth.
joyclean 3 days ago
@vinnynumbnuts ok, my mistake. it was mike wallace. but i remembered correctly in that rand did emphatically say "very few people are worthy of love. now, to be fair, she did say it is open for them to change, but still very dismal in my view. she lived in a dark world there with that thought, no? actually, i think she fails to see that love given can help bring another to change and eventually deserve it more. i have seen and done this...even to a dog. i'm being objective here
vinnynumbnuts 3 days ago
@joyclean ha, on donahue, rand actually said most people do not deserve to be loved. that's what i heard. gonna go back to make sure. if so, pretty dismal words there, no? i'm glad i'm not in that frame of mind. i want to be santa claus at the mall (not just to the kids) when i get older! my goodness. you see the difference in what i was trying to say about between being an objectivist vs being a randist?
vinnynumbnuts 3 days ago