Outdoor Storytellers - Pike in the Pend Oreille
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The main difference is recruitment of young pike. Nox. is far deeper (180' vs. 40' in the PO) Depth provides refuge for forage fish and there is far less spawning areas for pike (shallow, grassy areas). Pike #'s there are more stable because of this. If the PO didn't have such amazing pike habitat than the population could stabilize, however when you see a 200%increase in one year fish and a declilne in all forage fish, that isn't sustainable.
ryanmcnee 7 months ago
@ryanmcnee Please. Bore me with the numbers. They are both very similar! Great Pike fishery, and last year the state record LMB was taken there! Not bad!!!
usa22hockey 7 months ago
@usa22hockey There are several differences between Noxon reservoir and the PO. Mainly depth and temp. I wont bore you with the numbers here, but look them up if your interested. I agree that we should eradicate SMB as well, however they aren't as voracious as NP and dont grow as fast. And no, I don't think that the PO will ever be a trout river, but I would like to keep the bass fishing alive. If the NP are left unchecked there wont be much to fish for.
ryanmcnee 8 months ago
Bass/trout are also a VERY small fraction of the Pike diet. If you've seen the Kalispel/WDFW reports as you've said then you have seen that their diet consists mostly of Perch and Pumpkin Seed.
usa22hockey 8 months ago
@ryanmcnee Noxon reservoir in Montana seems to be doing very well maintaining its Pike population. The fishing up there is AWESOME and the Pike have been established there for a very long time. Also very similar habitat as the POR. Like you said, its "warm, slow and weedy". With those conditions what are these "other fisheries" you speak of? It's definitely not trout. If it's LMB, which I also love fishing for, then we should worry more about the SMB problem.
usa22hockey 8 months ago
Also, I live in North PO county so Im all for anything to improve the economy. However, the pike fishery isn't sustainable. These are the good old days for pike fishing.
ryanmcnee 8 months ago
@usa22hockey It isn't what I read in the paper. These are facts based on catch data from surveys by the WDFW/Kalispel Tribe. Yes, the LMB is getting hammered and SMB are also a problem. However, the Pike explosion is following the same pattern that has been repeated in reservoirs throughout the west with the same kind of habitat (warm, slow and weedy). Pike numbers boom and then bust because they decimate the prey base, and eventually all you have is small pike.
ryanmcnee 8 months ago
@ryanmcnee What other fishery on the river? Trout Fishery? No! Water temps are too high because of Box Canyon Dam. LMB (also non native species) is getting a big hurting put on them by the SMB. Same thing that happened in Long Lake. Not much time was spent up on that river until this fishery arrived. Now the last estimate shows 26,000 angler days per year and I'm sure thats increasing this year. Thats pretty good for the economy up there. Not everything you read in the paper is true. Just sayin.
usa22hockey 8 months ago
Nobody travels to fish the Pend Oreille for trout, BUT at last count WDFW says 26,000 angler days per year are spent on the river for Pike. And I'm sure that number has gone up this year. That's a big boost for the economy up there. Google some of the past BPA reports on the river, or just call your tackle shop up there in Newport. This is not a good trout fishery, and it never will be again. It is a very unique fishery to this state though, and you guys should be very grateful for it
usa22hockey 8 months ago
@5811Cowboy Do a little research before making comments like that. Whats ruining the trout population in the river is Box Canyon Dam. 70-80 degree summer water temps is WAY TO WARM for any kind of trout fishery. This has been a problem since the 1950s when that Dam went in, LONG before the Pike were ever around. It has been a very long time since the Pend Oreille has been any kind of trout fishery.
usa22hockey 8 months ago