Origin of Faith - John Frum vs Jesus 1/2

Richard Dawkins explains the cargo cults of Tanna in Vanuatu and the insight they provide on the evolution of established religions.

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[drandersw]

This is the most intelligent religion I ever heard of. It even beats belief in Elvis. These people have actually witnessed the stuff they believe in.

[thisisaguy]

No, that is not what he believes. He made a point that you could make the argument that this is how it came about but then you would still have to answer the question of where the aliens came from. He admits that he doesn't know how life on this planet began but sees the need for exploration and not the belief in a god.

Quote mining is ridiculous and tantamount to lying.

[eikons]

@unwinsis It does evolve. Religions gain followers, and more followers means that people "on the fence" are more likely to convert to that religion. Then there's promises that make one religion preferable to another. And finally, religions (along with tribalism) can wipe out believers of other faiths. This way, there is a form of natural selection and hence, evolution. The most successful religion survives, and the weaker ones die out.

[chrispikeyp]

very interesting thanks

[multiyadayadayada]

Ive spent time in Vanuatu, I am fluent in Bislama and I have spent time in Sulphur Bay with Isaac Wan's people. I can tell you, in storian, it wasn't easy to follow their complicated beliefs, which predate and reacted to our appearance in their world. You have to appreciate their isolation, don't take them for primitive people. Don't take them for fools. They live better than us in the uk, they really, really do. I'm not just romanticising- i appreciate healthcare, education etcetc. still say it

[multiyadayadayada]

Ladies and Gentlemen, please don't believe that this is a valid explanation of the beliefs on Tanna.

There is a lot more to it than this+ it is not fair to impose this explanation. Ironically it itself becomes a false belief!The source Dawkins is using must be the prevalent "authority" - the go-to resource for any newcomer wanting info. The lonely planet guide reads just the same! I can tell you their beliefs are more complex than this video portrays, they believe in many spirits

[himjl2]

@belegulo Of course this is not exactly how the major religions of the world evolved but it does provide a reliable demonstration of how easily tale tales are accepted and quickly become religious belief. Obviously, John From started off either as a fictional story or an outright lie but still manege to be accepted by a significant number of people. The birth of religion is a giant game of telephone.

[unwinsis]

Evolution is a charecteristic of life. To transpose this onto other things, such as religion, is misguided and false. It shows a weakness in logic to say that religion evolves.

[belegulo]

If religion is a cargo cult, then atheists have to believe that there were aliens or humans from the future that we worshiped as gods. However, modern religion is an espiritual system, not a way to get food and medicines.

[belegulo]

However, their faith is on material things. There is a big cargo cult on drugs and sex on our society, in fact.

[StrikaAmaru]

3:27 - Nice skirt XD

[mysql0]

Imagine trying to tell these cargo worshippers that their religions is a load of BS and without evidence and that just having FAITH in the planes doesn't make it true?

They would reject your facts and evidence and call you an idiot scientist since you are challenging their false and deluded belief.

FAITH! Wether Christian or a Cargo Cult - it always works the same!