Moot: Is God a Delusion? Bill Cooke, Senior Lecturer, Manukau Institute of Technology and William Lane Craig, Research Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology in La Mirada
@CannotEscapeReality When a person finds he is starting to insult his opponent, that's generally a good sign that he doesn't have the facts to back up his argument...
Of course, there's not a law that has God at the end of it, because God by definition is outside of science. However, all of the circumstantial evidence shows that there MUST be a Creator/Designer of the universe. All of the ranting and biases of the atheistic scientists in the world is not going to change that.
@CannotEscapeReality What would you say of someone who rejects several scientific laws, simply to continue in a worldview? Would you not consider that insane? You should, but then you'd be insane. Atheists have no choice but to reject many established laws of science in order to reject God. That's not science, that's secular philosophy or faith.
And the Bible, by definition, is the Word of God, not the word of shepherds. Unlike the word of atheistic scientists, who are biased in their thinking.
@CannotEscapeReality That's not much of an argument to say that I'm quoting an old Book, and therefore I can't be right. Maybe the Bible IS true. We can examine it in light of what it says, and not just based on our own presuppositions.
And the old lie that it was written by sheepherders, and therefore untrustworthy, is silly. Studies have shown that people of old were JUST as intelligent as people living today. True, they had less knowledge about stuff.
@CannotEscapeReality MAN, IF MET YOU IN THE STREET I'D SWIPE YOU TIL DEATH. YOU'RE NOT A KIND OF PERSON WE SHOULD TALK POLITELY. YOU LOVE MAKING TURMOILS, OFFENCES AND CAUSE ALL KIND OF TROUBLE. I'M REALLY SORRY FOR YOU PARENTS DUDE FOR HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SUCH A DISGUSTING CREATURE LIKE YOU. GROW UP FUCKING BASTARD AND BECOME A REAL MAN! I HOPE GUYS LIKE YOU BE WIPED OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND LEAVE US SOME PEACE. I'M NOT CHRISTIAN OR A MEMBER OF ANY RELIGION.
@CannotEscapeReality MAN, IF MET YOU IN THE STREET I'D SWIPE YOU TIL DEATH. YOU'RE NOT A KIND OF PERSON WE SHOULD TALK POLITELY. YOU LOVE MAKING TURMOILS, OFFENCES AND CAUSE ALL KIND OF TROUBLE. I'M REALLY SORRY FOR YOU PARENTS DUDE FOR HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SUCH A DISGUSTING CREATURE LIKE YOU. GROW UP FUCKING BASTARD AND BECOME A REAL MAN! I HOPE GUYS LIKE YOU BE WIPED OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND LEAVE US SOME PEACE. I'M NOT CHRISTIAN OR A MEMBER OF ANY RELIGION.
@CannotEscapeReality Design in of itself doesn't necessarily point to the Christian God, but it does point to a supernatural God, god or gods of some type.
However, when you look at the witness of the Bible objectively, you see that it does have evidence(s) of divine origin. Of course, if you start with the assumption that there is no God, then you immediately ignore the Bible and regard it as mythical. And if the Bible is of divine origin, this points to the Christian God as the Creator.
@CannotEscapeReality DNA is quite clearly designed. How can I know this? Because it has been termed analagous to our computer systems---except vastly superior.
Can an atheist in all honesty believe that something more complex than modern supercomputers could have been the result of a colossal accident? Really? No, nobody truly buys that, but theism is unacceptable.
@CannotEscapeReality No, I'm not the authority who says that God isn't designed. But the Bible says so, and it is the Authority. Not only that, but there is an inherent intuition in mankind that there must be a Beginner, that there must be a First Cause. To believe that it's simply an infinite chain of events is not only impossible, but also contrary to everything we understand in science.
Bill Cooke totally misunderstood Dietrich Bonhoeffers quote.
DiatonicSoul 3 weeks ago
@CannotEscapeReality When a person finds he is starting to insult his opponent, that's generally a good sign that he doesn't have the facts to back up his argument...
Of course, there's not a law that has God at the end of it, because God by definition is outside of science. However, all of the circumstantial evidence shows that there MUST be a Creator/Designer of the universe. All of the ranting and biases of the atheistic scientists in the world is not going to change that.
terminat1 4 months ago
@CannotEscapeReality What would you say of someone who rejects several scientific laws, simply to continue in a worldview? Would you not consider that insane? You should, but then you'd be insane. Atheists have no choice but to reject many established laws of science in order to reject God. That's not science, that's secular philosophy or faith.
And the Bible, by definition, is the Word of God, not the word of shepherds. Unlike the word of atheistic scientists, who are biased in their thinking.
terminat1 4 months ago
@CannotEscapeReality That's not much of an argument to say that I'm quoting an old Book, and therefore I can't be right. Maybe the Bible IS true. We can examine it in light of what it says, and not just based on our own presuppositions.
And the old lie that it was written by sheepherders, and therefore untrustworthy, is silly. Studies have shown that people of old were JUST as intelligent as people living today. True, they had less knowledge about stuff.
terminat1 4 months ago
@CannotEscapeReality MAN, IF MET YOU IN THE STREET I'D SWIPE YOU TIL DEATH. YOU'RE NOT A KIND OF PERSON WE SHOULD TALK POLITELY. YOU LOVE MAKING TURMOILS, OFFENCES AND CAUSE ALL KIND OF TROUBLE. I'M REALLY SORRY FOR YOU PARENTS DUDE FOR HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SUCH A DISGUSTING CREATURE LIKE YOU. GROW UP FUCKING BASTARD AND BECOME A REAL MAN! I HOPE GUYS LIKE YOU BE WIPED OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND LEAVE US SOME PEACE. I'M NOT CHRISTIAN OR A MEMBER OF ANY RELIGION.
rudyalpha 4 months ago
@CannotEscapeReality MAN, IF MET YOU IN THE STREET I'D SWIPE YOU TIL DEATH. YOU'RE NOT A KIND OF PERSON WE SHOULD TALK POLITELY. YOU LOVE MAKING TURMOILS, OFFENCES AND CAUSE ALL KIND OF TROUBLE. I'M REALLY SORRY FOR YOU PARENTS DUDE FOR HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SUCH A DISGUSTING CREATURE LIKE YOU. GROW UP FUCKING BASTARD AND BECOME A REAL MAN! I HOPE GUYS LIKE YOU BE WIPED OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND LEAVE US SOME PEACE. I'M NOT CHRISTIAN OR A MEMBER OF ANY RELIGION.
rudyalpha 4 months ago
@CannotEscapeReality Design in of itself doesn't necessarily point to the Christian God, but it does point to a supernatural God, god or gods of some type.
However, when you look at the witness of the Bible objectively, you see that it does have evidence(s) of divine origin. Of course, if you start with the assumption that there is no God, then you immediately ignore the Bible and regard it as mythical. And if the Bible is of divine origin, this points to the Christian God as the Creator.
terminat1 4 months ago
@CannotEscapeReality DNA is quite clearly designed. How can I know this? Because it has been termed analagous to our computer systems---except vastly superior.
Can an atheist in all honesty believe that something more complex than modern supercomputers could have been the result of a colossal accident? Really? No, nobody truly buys that, but theism is unacceptable.
terminat1 4 months ago
@CannotEscapeReality No, I'm not the authority who says that God isn't designed. But the Bible says so, and it is the Authority. Not only that, but there is an inherent intuition in mankind that there must be a Beginner, that there must be a First Cause. To believe that it's simply an infinite chain of events is not only impossible, but also contrary to everything we understand in science.
terminat1 4 months ago