Andrew Selwyn-Crome talk to rock star Rick Wakeman in what turns out to be a from the heart discussion about his family, his masonic membership and what Freemasonry means to him.
@annuity100 So when you get sick, you only take medicines which you know are 100% effective for 100% of the population? That's not going to give much option. Most effective medicines work for between 60 and 90% of the human population, leaving 10 to 40% of people unchanged/not cured. It would appear to be similar with Freemasonry. Many thousands, possibly millions, of men throughout history seem to have been changed and improved by their involvement in the Brotherhood. A tiny minority, have not.
@annuity100 Can you show me where anyone has said that it is not possible for a Freemason to evil deeds? I've been reading up on the subject for years now and have never come across such a claim.
Also what you call cherry picking, I call replying to a question that I could a) understand and b) answer in a way that points out at least some of your logical fallacies.
Oh and making assumptions about my being a Freemason makes and ass of both you and me.
@annuity100 I joined because I like the idea of being with good-honest men. Freemasonry helps give me the tools for introspection. I value the sacrifice the brethren had made before me. i like knowing that I can sit in Lodge with Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Jews etc & we all meet on the level. Freemasonry focuses on the similarities of the brotherhood of Man, rather than its differences. Name me ONE organization that fosters THAT kind of brotherhood. "Virtue is its own Reward"
@annuity100 I'll tell you something...The Morgan Affair is unfortunately a blemish on our record. Masons can't deny that. However, don't believe the Calvi story. P2 lodge was dismissed by the Italian Grand Lodge & its charter revoked. If a bunch of guys rent a building & call it a Masonic Lodge, there's not much REGULAR freemasonry can do about it. You've pointed out a few bad apples, every organization has 'em. Now consider the positive contributors...
@Prenna23 And like i was saying to lewis masonic whats the point if by going through the 3 degrees it doesn't change you as a person. If you bad going in your bad coming out. If you good going in your good coming out. At least it's free. If you had to pay for it then it's a scam no better than Scientology with their little aliens.
@Prenna23 Yeh very funny. I know that maybe you could explain it to your fellow freemasons who seem to be under the impression a brother couldn't possibly commit such an evil deed as murder. Still cherry picking, which of my questions you answer i see and ignoring the others like lewis masonic. I'm not having a go just looking for some answers to some very basic questions. If you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear.
@annuity100 Did you know that 99% of murderers have slept on a bed at least once in their lives? It's a shocking statistic I know. Next time you visit a friend check the rooms in their house. If you find a bed in any part of the house you should be on your guard.
Thanks for this, brother.
reddeacon 2 months ago
@annuity100 Sorry we are in the middle of a stock take at the moment and i am having a problem keeping up with all my correspondence.
LewisMasonic 3 months ago
@annuity100 So when you get sick, you only take medicines which you know are 100% effective for 100% of the population? That's not going to give much option. Most effective medicines work for between 60 and 90% of the human population, leaving 10 to 40% of people unchanged/not cured. It would appear to be similar with Freemasonry. Many thousands, possibly millions, of men throughout history seem to have been changed and improved by their involvement in the Brotherhood. A tiny minority, have not.
Prenna23 3 months ago
@annuity100 Can you show me where anyone has said that it is not possible for a Freemason to evil deeds? I've been reading up on the subject for years now and have never come across such a claim.
Also what you call cherry picking, I call replying to a question that I could a) understand and b) answer in a way that points out at least some of your logical fallacies.
Oh and making assumptions about my being a Freemason makes and ass of both you and me.
Prenna23 3 months ago
@annuity100 Ask away...
FrereMacon357 3 months ago
@annuity100 I joined because I like the idea of being with good-honest men. Freemasonry helps give me the tools for introspection. I value the sacrifice the brethren had made before me. i like knowing that I can sit in Lodge with Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Jews etc & we all meet on the level. Freemasonry focuses on the similarities of the brotherhood of Man, rather than its differences. Name me ONE organization that fosters THAT kind of brotherhood. "Virtue is its own Reward"
FrereMacon357 3 months ago
@annuity100 I'll tell you something...The Morgan Affair is unfortunately a blemish on our record. Masons can't deny that. However, don't believe the Calvi story. P2 lodge was dismissed by the Italian Grand Lodge & its charter revoked. If a bunch of guys rent a building & call it a Masonic Lodge, there's not much REGULAR freemasonry can do about it. You've pointed out a few bad apples, every organization has 'em. Now consider the positive contributors...
FrereMacon357 3 months ago
@Prenna23 And like i was saying to lewis masonic whats the point if by going through the 3 degrees it doesn't change you as a person. If you bad going in your bad coming out. If you good going in your good coming out. At least it's free. If you had to pay for it then it's a scam no better than Scientology with their little aliens.
annuity100 3 months ago
@Prenna23 Yeh very funny. I know that maybe you could explain it to your fellow freemasons who seem to be under the impression a brother couldn't possibly commit such an evil deed as murder. Still cherry picking, which of my questions you answer i see and ignoring the others like lewis masonic. I'm not having a go just looking for some answers to some very basic questions. If you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear.
annuity100 3 months ago
@annuity100 Did you know that 99% of murderers have slept on a bed at least once in their lives? It's a shocking statistic I know. Next time you visit a friend check the rooms in their house. If you find a bed in any part of the house you should be on your guard.
Prenna23 3 months ago