Skeptic's Seminary - Episode 1: The Apocalypse of Peter

Biblical Universal Salvation?

Note - there are different orthodox manuscripts. the manuscript containing the universal salvation passage comes form MR James 1924 translation of the Ethiopic Text

you can read it yourself at the website called "early christian writings"

or simply google "Ethiopic Text MR James"


http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/apocalypsepeter-mrjames.html


scroll down for the translation / summary

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[Cootabux]

This was an excellent video. You're the only one I've seen who has discussed this specific text in the Apocalypse of Peter.

I saw this same text myself about 4 years ago. It had the same effect on me as it did on you.

I may be wrong but isn't there something in the same text about jesus standing off from the crucifixion as someone else was being crucified in his place? Are you familiar with this report, have you heard of it before?

Again, outstanding video.

[epaminodas]

@Cootabux thank you. i am not aware of such a report. do you happen to have a link or a reference for it? i'd very much like to look into it.

[Cootabux]

epaminodas

Hey!

No, unfortunately it was some time ago and I don't remember the particulars of it. I will try though, to see if I can find such a reference.

Now it is possible that I actually read the excerpt in my own library of what I have on Peter's Apocalypse. I just don't remember if it was in my material or somewhere else. As I said, I will try to find it for you.

Hope you'll keep up the good work, as I've seen here.

[epaminodas]

@Cootabux awesome thanks! perhaps it was the gnostic apocalypse of peter?

[donttrustthebible]

How many different versions zare there of this work? (orthodox i mean, not including the gnsotic texts) Because I recently picked up a bart d ehrman book that was a compilation of apocalpyptic apocrypha and it mentioned that there are 3 versions. the one in the book contianed no refernece to uiversal salvatio that I could find. Is there different drafts of it?

[epaminodas]

yes, there are different orthodox manuscripts. the manuscript containing the universal salvation passage comes form MR James 1924 translation of the Ethiopic Text

google it or go to early xtian writings

scroll down for the translation / summary

[CheesyPoophs]

As for the part about sinners in hell having a chance to get out when they open their hearts to God, THANK YOU!!! That actually makes a lot of sense and answers one of my many questions about God; why would he put you in hell forever and then claim that he's all forgiving?? Thanks again for posting this, I now have my long-awaited answer! =)

[Cootabux]

#2

epaminodas

1 final thing...have you investigated forgery on the NT? I'm finding some incredible info about what scholars are recently finding, but if you want to see what I call, the "Achilles Heel" of the Judeo-Christian Religion, you must investigate the Ugaritic Texts! It's too much to get into here, but the end result is exposing early Judaism as polytheistic, consisting of the Canaanite gods, which the Jews later demonized & replaced with Yahweh, who was also of Canaanite origin!!

Later

[Cootabux]

#1

epaminodas

Yes, the writings of Peter are extraordinary. I just haven't figured out of he was Schizophrenic or really blitzed on mushrooms or the like.

What's amazing is reading some of the apologetics condemning his writings, as if the gospels, 4 example, were any more credible! All biblical writings come from the mind of man & the choice of books to include or exclude were religio-politically motivated. I'd be willing to bet the church created many, if not most NT books, even manuscripts.

[Cootabux]

epaminodas

Hey!

No, unfortunately it was some time ago and I don't remember the particulars of it. I will try though, to see if I can find such a reference.

Now it is possible that I actually read the excerpt in my own library of what I have on Peter's Apocalypse. I just don't remember if it was in my material or somewhere else. As I said, I will try to find it for you.

Hope you'll keep up the good work, as I've seen here.

[Cootabux]

NobodySpecial85

U said; "You must be born again."

Been there, done that! It's all in your mind.

It's interesting that a righteous & just god, not to mention loving....feels he must use threats of hell to get us to submit. U say god is good & loving. Prove it. How would u know anyway? What does scripture give u that u can claim this god is a righteous & good god? U have nothing! It's how u wish to see it.

Don't quote scripture to me, I was a Xian B4 u were born. U grovel to an evil dictator.